Seems I’m always a step behind in posting videos, but if you haven’t seen this one yet, It might be of interest to you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybz1eg8KZnE
(Karl Tanswell is the head coach for Straight Blast Gym - England)
That looks like Tan sau with Emei engine. Better get Pickachu and crew on this one to investigate…
J
Thanks for the video. 
What a bunch of crap! 
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There are many tan saos. This is not a one of them.
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At that level, that arm position is not going to stop a neck tie.
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And at that level of staticness (it seems he is advocating wedging the ‘tan’ in a rooted permanent position) it isn’t going to help you stop a punch either.
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It looks like it may be workable if neither of you are doing anything else with the other arm :rolleyes: What’s the point of practising any so-called clinch defence with one arm each?
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Embrace the clinch!!!
The clinch should be one of the natural wing chun ranges. And following on from that… -
Similar to there being no ‘anti-grappling’, just being better grappling (ie, you have to study grappling to be able to defeat/escape a grappling tech), there is no anti-clinch, just better clinch training. If your WC is so insecure you don’t feel you can use it in the clinch, when somebody clinches you or tries to clinch you if you haven’t practiced in that range, you’re theirs!
Footwork was nice but basic.
Maybe this instuctor can make it work. If he’s extremely talented/hard… but I’ll bet the vast majority of his students couldn’t pull it off and would get beaten if they tried.
Of course, we don’t know the amount of emphasis this guy puts on this tech as part of a clinch programme, but I hope it’s not much on such a low-percentage tech.
i dont get it.
if i had the inside like that i’d just go for the plumm myself then its happy times
or just hit (wing chun mentality but this is a training environment also maybe sub wrestling)
or use a fook sao (that sort of fanning out one with both hands where you drop from double-lan to double-fook in siu nim tao) to get inside/bicep control (exact same technique in wing chun and mma).
ive been using tan sao (exactly out the 3x fooks bit in snt courtesy of aS) to break out of the plumm once its on but what he’s doing doesnt look like its gonna wedge and drive out looks more like a static guard than anything.
oh one detail on the tan sao is if the wrist is in line with the forearm it has very little strength much stronger when you flatten the palm out. actually it needs the opposite tension to keep it in line, just relaxing it would drop it flatter.
to be honest i was disappointed by everything in the clip especially as the sbg materials come over so well (i know there are mixed opinions on this)
one other thing is i got the impression he’d been around wing chun some time (lets not get into that special forces stupid debate hahaha)
ps hahaha karl tans well ? no not very well at all hahahah
In that close I’d be using more of a ‘huen gat sau’ (sp? from Biu Jee) instead of Taan sau.
That could be said for a vast majority of MA schools and their various techniques.
Being that it’s an SBGi guy, chances are him and his students spend a lot of time clinching and rolling so I’m sure it’s a reletavely small tech (that’s why we’re seeing it exagerated to some degree, he’s demonstrating a tech that is relativly small in time and space by exagerating it so that humans can percieve what’s going on).
I think you are all confusing a basic beginner level training drill with actual non-compliant application. When I watched the video it looked like the very beginning or small part of a whole. Don’t be too quick to judge and also… if you think this guy is a “bunch of crap” then I say go to HIM or someone who trains in his system and feel for yourself.
At our school we always show the Wing Chun as it applies on the ground. It’s not hard to see similarities in principle, form and structure. So this guys “Tan Sau” didn’t look like your standard text book Tan Sau… but it resembled it… and THAT my friends is what all martial artists should strive to look for.
Look for the similarities, the universal truths, things in common, even if they vary in the slightest. Get off your high horse, turn off your Wing Chun “pride”.
For example, a question for you. How can Tan Sau (or what resembles one) negate an armbar attempt?
(Usual preface to these threads–my first MA was Judo, I’ve done some BJJ, and a very little wrestling…)
A few years back I had a chance to watch some wrestling (US Greco & Freestyle) for MMA. Both myself and a classmate of mine (who’s quite good at BJJ) were struck by how the clinchwork resembled the YKSWCK we’d learned, especially the Weng Chun close range stuff.
Some of the setups were nearly identical (they just didn’t do some of the hitting along the way or at the end).
It’s another example of how similar things (humans) trying to do similar things (establish dominant control within chest-to-elbow range) will come upon similar methods to accomplish them.
[SIZE=“5”]WTF!![/SIZE]
I am never suprised at what people are teaching…
Lama Pai sifu sez:
I am never suprised at what people are teaching…
There are people and there are people
joy chaudhuri
Guys..Listen V carefully I shall say this only once
Anyone who thinks this is serious… the joke is on them
This is one hundred percent a p_iss take.:eek:
I know this guy (Karl Tanswell)…Taking the mickey out of KF is one of his pass times
Trust me
Looks like you took the bait:rolleyes:
Nick
Guys?
some guys maybe..
I didnt even look at the video:-
joy
Have a look Joy
He plays it straight but his tongue is firmly in his cheek;)
On second thoughts I think Mr idaho probably knows full well this is a joke and is playing a clever but naughty practical joke/ experiment on the gullibility of WC (and other KF) practitioners on this board by posting this.
Nick
As soon as I saw the title in the first post- tan sau used in an mma clinch-
I figured it wasn’t serious- but then lots of posts on the forum are jokes- unintended and intended.
joy
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;699295]but then lots of posts on the forum are jokes- unintended and intended.
joy[/QUOTE]
dam_ning but true…Exhibit A: some of the recent assertions made in the emei thread about what exactly constitutes legitimate historical research (BTW I am not refering to Jims article which I liked).
I don’t see the fault here. He is merely demonstrating Tan Sau. Not an entire fight sequence. I thought he did a pretty good demonstration of this use of Tan Sau. Normally Tan Sau is done with the elbow in a fixed position, but in a clinch it can be altered to this extent. The elbow pulled in tight gives some stability and power behind it. We are not talking about a lot of strength that is needed when you redirect most thrusts or punches. And in this case it is simply a reaching hand. Not a thrust or punch. There are any number of actions that could acompany this Tan Sau, but he was not demonstrating that.
[QUOTE=Nick Forrer;699286]Guys..Listen V carefully I shall say this only once
Anyone who thinks this is serious… the joke is on them…Looks like you took the bait:rolleyes:[/quote]Well, I’m glad my summation was as follows then! [QUOTE=Mr Punch;699133]What a bunch of crap! :D[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=leejunfan;699187] Get off your high horse, turn off your Wing Chun “pride”. [/quote]Can we have a :rolleyes: ?!
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;699334]I don’t see the fault here. He is merely demonstrating Tan Sau. Not an entire fight sequence. I thought he did a pretty good demonstration of this use of Tan Sau. Normally Tan Sau is done with the elbow in a fixed position, but in a clinch it can be altered to this extent. The elbow pulled in tight gives some stability and power behind it. We are not talking about a lot of strength that is needed when you redirect most thrusts or punches. And in this case it is simply a reaching hand. Not a thrust or punch. There are any number of actions that could acompany this Tan Sau, but he was not demonstrating that.[/QUOTE]Actually, can we make that two…? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: … any advance?!
Guys… whether it was a joke or not doesn’t matter. I have seen many seminars where people were doing strange strange things. I don’t judge… I just try to keep an open mind. So if this was a joke… Bravo… jokes on us… some times we need to not take ourselves so seriously… hence my saying
Originally Posted by leejunfan
Get off your high horse, turn off your Wing Chun “pride”.
To Nick
Nick- I finally looked at it. Good grief- and forum folks wasted so much time on that silly thing-its not even wing chun-no tan sao there- no wing chun structure or dynamics there- and sadly funny(not)- on how he changes stances in motion on feet usage.
Poor wing chun form runs faster than death.
joy
joy chaudhuri
Does anyone here even realize, Lawrence called it a taan sau, in the video Karl makes no such claim.
Nick,
So your saying this guy’s class or seminar was videotaped with this (allegedly) poor tech on purpose to dupe the on-line MA community???