[QUOTE=nunchuckguy;1151605]I want to train myself to fight against kickboxers with Wing Chun.
Me and my friend practice together yesterday.
My theory is to first train to counter long range attacks and then slowly move into close range where Chi Sao moves are applicable.
The first problem I face is the fast jabs of a boxer.
I found outside Pak Sao really effective. But while using inside Tan Sao, it only works when I turn horse or else I need to use a lot of force to deflect that punch.
Any ideas?
Nunchuck Guy[/QUOTE]
I dont get it. Do you mean tan sau on inner gate? If so arent u already close range?
oh, and dont forget to do things in combinations. I dont know if everyone would agree with this but it’s worked for me so far. It’s one of the first things to learn when boxing as well, that throwing single punches consistently is a pretty bad idea. Either youre throwing combos or setting up a combo.
In the same sense, if you’re opponent is decent, he’ll be working in combos too and most definitely will follow up his first punch that is blocked. That’s why I like to default to pak-da, pak-jong, pak-tan, type of movements, well because I’m somewhat physically weak compared to most people but also because the combinations of movements either help me defend against combos as a defense or they can work offensively by creating a better opening.
This is also probably another noob move but whenever I feel my sparring partner is moving a lot I tend to consistently switch up my jong and footwork. Ive never actually asked my opponent how i feel about this but I assumed that it ruins their positioning because at one point they may move outside my guard and a simply switch of which had is forward in my job totally changes that positioning.
Note that I myself am not pro at sparring/fighting nor would i call myself experienced. But I think of these as very basic things that help me, and while they aren’t the “counter x with y” type of answers (which dont even really exist imo), they’re still decent ways to deal with an opponent and his jab (and possibly other stuff)
just my 2c
Whats the point in making a clip unless you get one of your training partners to rip into you with no holding back
I’d like to see P Bayer do that rather than the chi sao stuff he does in your and Kev’s usual clips.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1152008]I’d like to see P Bayer do that rather than the chi sao stuff he does in your and Kev’s usual clips.[/QUOTE]
Oh no you di’int: lol
I know Andrew knows what I’m talking about. It’s not magic and it requires some eye training, right Andrew? I use it all the time and I know your Sifu taught you. He’s a legend in many people’s eyes including mine though he’s not known by many.
Ving Tsun is not kick boxing!
That’s what’s wrong with it.
If you’re not sure, get someone to put gloves on and throw hooks at you. You’ll find out pretty quick what does and doesn’t work.
FWIW, I’d want to get either right inside the hook, which puts me in clinch range, or get way away from it. Staying in range and trying to block and exchange will earn you a ticket to dreamland.
Either that or get your fist in the guy’s face so fast and often that he ain’t got time to set up his hooks.
Or shoot him.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1152023]That’s what’s wrong with it.:p[/QUOTE]
Another no brainer. You’re on a roll tonight. Well, at least in this part of the planet..lol
[QUOTE=anerlich;1152025]If you’re not sure, get someone to put gloves on and throw hooks at you. You’ll find out pretty quick what does and doesn’t work.[/QUOTE]
Exactly Bro. The best way to learn how to deal with something IS to deal with it. Experiment, try different things, discussions help us brainstorm.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1152051]Exactly Bro. The best way to learn how to deal with something IS to deal with it. Experiment, try different things, discussions help us brainstorm.[/QUOTE]
Yes, because WC is an innovative art.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1152023]That’s what’s wrong with it.:p[/QUOTE]
When people say our WC looks like kickboxing I go YES!!!
Tan Sau inner Gate
The Tan Sau was not designed with the boxing hook in mind!
The tan sau connecting with the forearm or wrist was design for choy li fut or hung gar swinging blow for the inside. this blow after being intercepted with a bil gee to deflect the power is then dispersed downward with the tan sau!
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1152090]The Tan Sau was not designed with the boxing hook in mind!
The tan sau connecting with the forearm or wrist was design for choy li fut or hung gar swinging blow for the inside. this blow after being intercepted with a bil gee to deflect the power is then dispersed downward with the tan sau![/QUOTE]
Tan is more than that. But no, a tan won’t get inside a hook. A round punch maybe.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1152093]Tan is more than that. But no, a tan won’t get inside a hook. A round punch maybe.[/QUOTE]
i agree…but what im stating is When WC was originally desgined…western boxing was not what they had in mind. The forms and shapes were originally developed to handle the fighting styles chinese dealt with!
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1152094]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6CdH6xHcgo&feature=share[/QUOTE]
Excellent clip.
That is exactly the reason why I’ve been saying we need to break things down to the simplest denominator. We cannot predict what the opponent is going to do, and how he is going to do in.
In KL22, we glance at a number of anatomical landmarks. These points are hubs of movements as well as control points. As soon as any of these points twitches, we strike the point, which stops the opponent before he can execute the technique before the half way point.
We have to keep training until it becomes habitual and no conscious effort is involved. The effect is that once we are switched on (we don’t want to be switched on all the time for obvious reasons), even if we are talking to someone, as soon as those points twitches, we strike (reflex action) and start controlling the opponent.
We don’t play according to the opponent. We make the opponent play on our terms.
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[QUOTE=anerlich;1152008]I’d like to see P Bayer do that rather than the chi sao stuff he does in your and Kev’s usual clips.[/QUOTE]
Dude if you want to get an idea of Philipp fighting outside of chi sau then go see him!
I always say that to people on here and as yet only one guy has gone! He has since left the William Cheung lineage and joined ours. Maybe the same would happen to you!
I only logged on too see Phil’s clip but I can’t see it yet.
For Phil…:mad:
G:D
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1152090]The Tan Sau was not designed with the boxing hook in mind!
The tan sau connecting with the forearm or wrist was design for choy li fut or hung gar swinging blow for the inside. this blow after being intercepted with a bil gee to deflect the power is then dispersed downward with the tan sau![/QUOTE]
How do you know that? You must be 200 years old to know that! Your idea of Tan Sau is completely wrong but as you can only see as far as the end of your nose you will deny it at every turn!
Better to say thats how YOU view Tan Sau not how IT is!
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[QUOTE=Graham H;1152143]Dude if you want to get an idea of Philipp fighting outside of chi sau then go see him!
I always say that to people on here and as yet only one guy has gone! He has since left the William Cheung lineage and joined ours. Maybe the same would happen to you!
I only logged on too see Phil’s clip but I can’t see it yet.
For Phil…:mad:
G:D[/QUOTE]
I can’t see Andrew leaving what he’s doing now. He’s got the best of both worlds. As to my clip. I’ll get around to it. Right now I have days off from work and I’m just chillin’ with bottle of Fin Du Monde. 
[QUOTE=Graham H;1152143]Dude if you want to get an idea of Philipp fighting outside of chi sau then go see him!
I always say that to people on here and as yet only one guy has gone! He has since left the William Cheung lineage and joined ours. Maybe the same would happen to you!
I only logged on too see Phil’s clip but I can’t see it yet.
For Phil…:mad:
G:D[/QUOTE]
I can’t see Andrew leaving what he’s doing now. He’s got the bast of both worlds. As to my clip. I’ll get around to it. Right now I have days off from work and I’m just chillin’