Here are the three proven methods for countering hook punches. Two are shown in the first clip and one is shown in the second clip. You can see ample evidence for these three techniques being used in real time in numerous boxing, Muay Thai, and MMA matches.
A Wing Chun way
Start 9.30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3hLnXD8SlA
Watch out for the body has to be able to take the bounce or recoil otherwise one will disintegrate. It is not just as simple as hitting center…with technic etc. That is dealing with momentum and not living in a momentum vacuum world.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1214981]A Wing Chun way
Start 9.30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3hLnXD8SlA
Watch out for the body has to be able to take the bounce or recoil otherwise one will disintegrate. It is not just as simple as hitting center…with technic etc. That is dealing with momentum and not living in a momentum vacuum world.[/QUOTE]
That way will get you KTFO with the other side hook.
There’s a reason you won’t see that being done by people who are actually going full-force in real time.
The difference is that the first two clips are dealing with countering how a hook is actually done by someone with some skill and the WC clip is showing how to counter a “hay maker”.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1214989]That way will get you KTFO with the other side hook.
There’s a reason you won’t see that being done by people who are actually going full-force in real time.[/QUOTE]
Good point.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1214998]The difference is that the first two clips are dealing with countering how a hook is actually done by someone with some skill and the WC clip is showing how to counter a “hay maker”.[/QUOTE]
Haymaker or not, it’s generally not a good idea to stop a punch by committing both of your arms to one side of the opponent’s body. At 9:43, there is the perfect set up to get KTFO with the left hand.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1214998]The difference is that the first two clips are dealing with countering how a hook is actually done by someone with some skill and the WC clip is showing how to counter a “hay maker”.[/QUOTE]
No matter which one, it is a matter of how to handling the body. If the body cannot take the impact at the contact. the story end there disregard of which one.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1215003]Haymaker or not, it’s generally not a good idea to stop a punch by committing both of your arms to one side of the opponent’s body. At 9:43, there is the perfect set up to get KTFO with the left hand.[/QUOTE]
- It is capturing the center, not one side. As in 10.1
2.Your grappling utube above is using the same type of concept with variation.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1215003]Haymaker or not, it’s generally not a good idea to stop a punch by committing both of your arms to one side of the opponent’s body. At 9:43, there is the perfect set up to get KTFO with the left hand.[/QUOTE]
No argument there.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215004]No matter which one, it is a matter of how to handling the body. If the body cannot take the impact at the contact. the story end there disregard of which one.[/QUOTE]
It matters a great deal because a proper hook would NOT be stopped like that at all.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215008]1. It is capturing the center, not one side. As in 10.1
2.Your grappling utube above is using the same type of concept with variation.[/QUOTE]
I think you need to re-watch the grappling video.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1215011]It matters a great deal because a proper hook would NOT be stopped like that at all.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree.
It is like a colision car, one can’t stop it as momentum is vacuumed . As some wcner believe the closer path is a straight line between two points, but totally living in momentum vacuum.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1215012]I think you need to re-watch the grappling video.[/QUOTE]
IMO,
Take a look at 0.08. Instead of one arm striking to the center, he push on the other shoulder side.
Same thing, the assumption is one can take the incoming momentum. Otherwise it will not work. So, IMHO, all these technics are just technics . They are all condition technics. Not unconditional technics . A smaller guy will have problem to execute it in general.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215015]IMO,
Take a look at 0.08. Instead of one arm striking to the center, he push on the other shoulder side.[/QUOTE]
Yes, exactly
Same thing, the assumption is one can take the incoming momentum. Otherwise it will not work. So, IMHO, all these technics are just technics . They are all condition technics. Not unconditional technics . A smaller guy will have problem to execute it in general.
No, not the same thing. Not even close. Going to the opposite side is completely different and is the key differentiator between something that will work and something that will get you KTFO.
Lets not forget a vt punch in the face as a counter.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1215017]Yes, exactly
No, not the same thing. Not even close. Going to the opposite side is completely different and is the key differentiator between something that will work and something that will get you KTFO.[/QUOTE]
Agree in one way,
However, This can be argue.
My point is can one take the impact momentum. The grappling way rely on strong body muscle to sustain at the point of impact at the first time.
While the wing Chun example is making use of the incoming collision if the body can hold.
So, all these technics looks good, but it is the handling of the body which is critical. That is what not being address in general.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215022]Agree in one way,
However, This can be argue.
My point is can one take the impact momentum. The grappling way rely on strong body muscle to sustain at the point of impact at the first time.
While the wing Chun example is making use of the incoming collision if the body can hold.
So, all these technics looks good, but it is the handling of the body which is critical. That is what not being address in general.[/QUOTE]
The grappling method does NOT rely on a strong body, the position of the arm will cause the wide hook to be parried off, the forward movement gets the defender inside the zone of max danger, the opposite arms checks the opponents other hand AND gets control of one of the opponents prime levers (neck and head), etc, etc.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215022] The grappling way rely on strong body muscle to sustain at the point of impact at the first time. [/QUOTE]
The grappling method uses close in control, which takes away the opponent’s momentum and leverage, making strength and size much less of an issue.
The wing Chun method does not do that, which makes strength and size much more of an issue.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1215035]The grappling method uses close in control, which takes away the opponent’s momentum and leverage, making strength and size much less of an issue.
The wing Chun method does not do that, which makes strength and size much more of an issue.[/QUOTE]
correction: “his” wing chun method does not do that… 
Just comment the techniques and nothing to do with the instructor in the clip.
- At 0.27, he uses “comb hair (crazy monkey)” to block the left hook. If his opponent’s punch is powerful and also since he doesn’t have gloves on, his opponent’s left hook could go through his right arm block, knock his right arm down along with his head. It’s better to move his right arm in an 45 degree outward angle. This way his right arm and his head will have more gape and he can allow his body structure to take the shocking from that strong punch.
At 1.30, when he dodges under his opponent’s left hook, he should use his right hand to cover on his opponent’s left elbow joint. This way, he can prevent his opponent from doing:
- left elbow on his head.
- left arm reverse head lock (guillotine) on his neck.
- left back fist on top of his head.
- At 0.30, his right arm is above his opponent’s left arm. If his opponent’s left arm wraps on his waist ASAP, he won’t have any space to move his right arm under his opponent’s left arm and achieve “waist wrap” at that moment. A head lock will be more proper to apply.
- At 9.30, his right side is open (leak). He may do that on purpose to invite his opponent’s left punh. He may also don’t care whether his opponent may throw a left hook or not. Since his right hand is already on his opponent’s right shoulder. It’s very easy for him to slide his right arm and get his opponent a reverse head lock (guillotine). This will not only counter his opponent’s left hook punch, it also force his striker opponent to play his favor grappling game.