Can this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp-UoQ8Hel8
Handle this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ah_0gia4A0
If one teaches his students unrealistic techniques and gives the students false confidence, basically one is teaching the students to commit suicide.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1167490]Can this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp-UoQ8Hel8
Handle this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ah_0gia4A0
If one teaches his students unrealistic techniques and gives the students false confidence, basically one is teaching the students to commit suicide.[/QUOTE]
Too stupid a clip to take seriously…
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1167490]Can this:
Handle this:
Shawn and his student has nice pajamas-custom made..I presume.(g)
joy chaudhuri
How about this knife attack here? Here is another refutation of hand to hand knife defense.
The pull back of the knife when someone touches the knife hand or arm is a simple and effective move. It’s a defensive move but if someone has the knife hand tightly seized, that person is going to suffer a laceration to the palm.
The morale? Knife defenses are for the most part bull****, unless you got another knife or a more powerful weapon.
Agree that was complete rubbish that would get you killed.
That guy’s face looks weird, like he overplucked his eyebrows.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1167502]Agree that was complete rubbish that would get you killed.
Another example (Shawn Tei I think) imo should not be teaching wing chun.
joy chaudhuri
I’ve alway’s had a soft spot in my heart for sifu Todd Shawn Tai. having said that, obviously, these solutions to knife attacks are…ehem…rubbish. But so are 90 % of other VT solutions to this aggressive, massive, death dealing attack. U know, all things being equal…street wise…I’ll take a gun scene over a knife scene any day.The Mexican prayre man…;God, don’t let me be killed by the knife;. The personallity of the knife is brutal in the extreme.I’ve survived two knife attacks in my life… both left me scarred and barely alive. And wiser.
http://youtu.be/D0jwpwzGpGQ
This is even more revealing than the first. Have any of you done the ‘sharpie’ test? Some things in VT ARE actually truly suicidal in this…such as jum sao (sinking hand) great for difusing power in a punch,with knife in hand, useless.Thanks…Great eye opener…Nice contact high.
P.S. Ya know, concidering the fact we have the baat Chum Dao in our line up… you’d think we’d be alittle more savy when it comes to knives.
[QUOTE=Happy Tiger;1167509]I’ve alway’s had a soft spot in my heart for sifu Todd Shawn Tai. having said that, obviously, these solutions to knife attacks are…ehem…rubbish. But so are 90 % of other VT solutions to this aggressive, massive, death dealing attack. U know, all things being equal…street wise…I’ll take a gun scene over a knife scene any day.The Mexican prayre man…;God, don’t let me be killed by the knife;. The personallity of the knife is brutal in the extreme.I’ve survived two knife attacks in my life… both left me scarred and barely alive. And wiser.
http://youtu.be/D0jwpwzGpGQ
This is even more revealing than the first. Have any of you done the ‘sharpie’ test? Some things in VT ARE actually truly suicidal in this…such as jum sao (sinking hand) great for difusing power in a punch,with knife in hand, useless.Thanks…Great eye opener…Nice contact high.
P.S. Ya know, concidering the fact we have the baat Chum Dao in our line up… you’d think we’d be alittle more savy when it comes to knives.[/QUOTE]
savy to knives ? crazy talk 
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1167511]savy to knives ? crazy talk ;)[/QUOTE]
If I were an Aboriginal, that’d probably be my name…Crazy Talk.
[QUOTE=Happy Tiger;1167509] Ya know, concidering the fact we have the baat Chum Dao in our line up… you’d think we’d be alittle more savy when it comes to knives.[/QUOTE]
IMO the traditonal Wing Chun [ no not Traditional Wing Chun] knife tactics are non existent. Being that I practice some eskrima I would prefer to treat the BJD as I would Filipino sticks. The sticks can represent machetes or other big blade weapons. The BJD is just another big blade weapon to be handled accordingly.
Expect to get cut in any knife encounter. My take on a knife fight unless you’re cornered and have no escape route is to run and hopefully find a longer weapon, car antennae, garbage can lid (well at least in NYC where there are still metal cans) etc. Most knife defense techniques are unrealistic.
We are knife fighters, our system is tactically guided by the BCD with different footwork than bare hands. This is why the knife footwork aka MOVING IN BIG STEPS to avoid being cut, is shown later. It can confuse a students footwork, who should be attacking the vertical axis as Chum Kil shows, Wooden dummy, not moving away intentionally from it, a common error seen in MANY, regardless of ideas.
The idea of standing front and center to the attack shown is revealing the lack of knife training, tactics, etc… at the very least, one should show an awareness to maintain distances intuitively, movement.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1167517]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Mc9IxpYRM[/QUOTE]
super cool vid.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1167516]We are knife fighters, our system is tactically guided by the BCD with different footwork than bare hands. This is why the knife footwork aka MOVING IN BIG STEPS to avoid being cut, is shown later. It can confuse a students footwork, who should be attacking the vertical axis as Chum Kil shows, Wooden dummy, not moving away intentionally from it, a common error seen in MANY, regardless of ideas.
The idea of standing front and center to the attack shown is revealing the lack of knife training, tactics, etc… at the very least, one should show an awareness to maintain distances intuitively, movement.[/QUOTE]
We, in all our familys, need to understand this more.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1167515]Expect to get cut in any knife encounter. My take on a knife fight unless you’re cornered and have no escape route is to run and hopefully find a longer weapon, car antennae, garbage can lid (well at least in NYC where there are still metal cans) etc. Most knife defense techniques are unrealistic.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you know I got thinking about this more and you’re really right. I’m on the look out for found weapons all the time. Call me paranoid, but the habit is as natural as looking both ways. Using found weapons and working your environment is almost cliché in the movies but funny enough, not as often exploited in real life.
Clothing can be used against knives. But hang on. In the vid, the victim seems to have cloth in his hand but is helpless to use it. Ya’ll probly gathered, I’m a vegetarian now but I wear an old leather jacket some times from the old days, from before I went tofu. The thing smells like a steak and a half smoked cigar. A leather jacket or some other fabric can help defend against a knife…maybe…
I agree with Phil, empty handed against a knife you’re gonna get cut. I don’t teach anything different for knife defence than hand to hand fighting. IME you don’t have time to decide whether the opponent is armed. Armed or not the best way of minimising damage in any conflict (after running away / avoidance) is to shut down the opponent asap.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1167516]We are knife fighters, our system is tactically guided by the BCD with different footwork than bare hands. This is why the knife footwork aka MOVING IN BIG STEPS to avoid being cut, is shown later. It can confuse a students footwork, who should be attacking the vertical axis as Chum Kil shows, Wooden dummy, not moving away intentionally from it, a common error seen in MANY, regardless of ideas.
The idea of standing front and center to the attack shown is revealing the lack of knife training, tactics, etc… at the very least, one should show an awareness to maintain distances intuitively, movement.[/QUOTE]
Unless you train against an aggressive opponent coming at you wildly and with intent to kill all the theory in the world won’t help you. And neither will the theory of ANY martial art. To believe otherwise is delusional blind following. I can prove what I say very easily. I’m in NYC and can use a marker to prove my point to any man regardless of his style or ability and so can any untrained knife fighter.
Oh and the original clip posted IMHO is typical of the total BS taught as knife defence in alot of martial arts schools. Works great in the class against a compliant partner who presents a lovely single attack but in the real world …
