I wonder if anyone had videos or footages on Southern Praying Mantis performed by Master Malcolm Sue of Australia he or she would like to trade copies of with me. I have many tapes on bagua, xingyi and taiji and I could give copies of some of these in return.
malcolm sue
–sue doesn’t do spm anymore, didn’t do it very good when he was in the pai 
y the video hunt? spm way different than ? you study, won’t help u any.
By what measure should SPM form be judged?
sorry cant help
but i you manage to get onto paul whitrods site he has spm videos and i have found them to help me a lot in my studies. some are instructional and others are seminars featuring sifu ip chee keung good luck
hiram
By what measure should SPM form be judged?
–root, jing, smoothness, proper structure … from outside it should look effortless
ginger fist
what do you think of sifu tony leungss iron wire southern mantis system? i think he has been kicked out of chow gar, im not sure!! 
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tony leung
i never trained under tony leung but i train with some of his ex students after he stopped teaching they are good strong bridging and chy sau so all good as far as i can see
f.t.
what do you think of sifu tony leungss iron wire southern mantis system?
–i don’t think of it at all 
i think he has been kicked out of chow gar, im not sure!!
–no loss either way–chow gar is way 2 stiff, not spm–maybe cadaver gar is a better name for it
Tony Leung
Tony Leung, was never kicked out of Chow Gar.
In fact, Tony Leung never flew the Chow Gar
banner. Sifu Leung studied under a Chu gar sifu
and then under Yip Siu and not David Yip as is
sometimes misreported.
Sifu Leung, flys the steel wire banner because
he wanted to use the knowledge he had learnt from
his Hung gar,Chu gar,Chow gar, Chen Tai chi
backgrounds.
andrew
Sifu Leung, flys the steel wire banner because
he wanted to use the knowledge he had learnt from
his Hung gar,Chu gar,Chow gar, Chen Tai chi
backgrounds.
–good 4 him if he is able to make the different systems work to the advantage of his students. kwongsai jook lum tong long needs no such additions, it is complete as is.
Andrew, Tony Leung did study under David Ip in England during the '70s.
Ginger-Fist - thanks for insulting Chow Gar. On a general note: anyone who mixes styles and includes SPM in the mix is onto a good thing, IMHO. Regarding Tony Leung: faced with the evidence of his students that abound in the UK, it would be nonsense to infer that he has no knowledge or power. The guy’s a kungfu monster from what I gather.
Good’ay David,
Right on point! Leung Sifu and Sue Sifu have many years of knowledge and experience, and in particularly proven themselves in real street combats.
Sue Sifu’s modified system may not be the same as the original Chow Gar tong long, but it works in real situations, because I seen it against many experienced street fighters back in the early 80s.
Many Sue Sifu’s students and grandstudents have gained real combat skills and confident through his teaching, and felt safe to walk the street late at night. I was one of them!
I personally have trained in Chow Gar and Jook Lum Lee Yin Sing Pai, and found both systems are benefical to the development of the yang and yin power.
I have also seen many brotherhood of SPM pais, and found they are just as effective as ever. Is not about the style or styles, is about the way you train and use it to your own advantage, and that’s the key to real training.
Good luck to your training (without dogma).
Aussie John.
TONY LEUNG
One of my old students was from sifu Tony Leung and he showed me a video of some of the his seminars and training methods. i know one thing is he definetly has some power and i used to love reading his column “roots of kung fu”.
so has he been shut down from teaching or decided to stop?
Unfortunantly SPM, is filled with internal politics and wrangling.
This only goes to cloud the effectiveness of the style. Unfortunantly this post will only contiune that legacy,
David, I believe you are student of David Yip. Whatever you’ve
been told, Sifu Leung took the tea ceremony with Ip Shui,
Ip Shui is Sifu Leung’s sifu. There are pictures to prove and
validate this.
There is a soft side to Chow Gar mantis, the problem is that
I don’t think a lot of people know it, due to politics. Ip Shui,
himself, is very internal so I dont think this side is lacking.
Sifu Leung has stopped teaching, but I have witnessed his
power and his martial skills, he really is a ‘kung fu’ fighter and
he has used his martial skills, so whatever anyone says I
know his skills and I am quite proud to call him my sifu.
Andrew
david
Ginger-Fist - thanks for insulting Chow Gar.
i say it as i c it–don’t blame me for chow gar being wooden, blame chow gar
On a general note: anyone who mixes styles and includes SPM in the mix is onto a good thing, IMHO.
??? r u stupid or just inexperienced?
Ginger fist
i say it as i c it–don’t blame me for chow gar being wooden, blame chow gar
On a general note: anyone who mixes styles and includes SPM in the mix is onto a good thing, IMHO.
??? r u stupid or just inexperienced?
The other day when I read your post insulting spm…I looked at your profile. It said you studied spm/traditional chinese martial arts…yet when I look now after more post on the subject of spm it seems to have disapeared…maybe it’s because the forum moved but makes me wonder.
And as for the other comment if the styles mixed with spm work well together there is nothing wrong with it. I studied in a jook lum tai chi combination for a while and whitnessed my sifu blend the styles well, and if what you are saying about mixing styles is true then bruce lee’s spent a lot of his life being stupid and inexperienced…
mantis-1
The other day when I read your post insulting spm…
–i don’t insult spm … just those who claim to know ? they don’t. direct from the temple, 3 generations in my family, straight to my hands, i am 4th gen.
I looked at your profile. It said you studied spm/traditional chinese martial arts…yet when I look now after more post on the subject of spm it seems to have disapeared…maybe it’s because the forum moved but makes me wonder.
–ur wonder is wonderful, enjoy!
And as for the other comment if the styles mixed with spm work well together there is nothing wrong with it.
–that’s ur opinion gweilo. those who do ? u r arguing 4 r saying they have more knowledge & skill than the inventors & those who refined the system. who’s the ego overdrive jerk in this case?
I studied in a jook lum tai chi combination for a while and whitnessed my sifu blend the styles well,
–so … u studied 4 a while, & now u put out ur opinion that ur sifu blended it well. name ur spm teacher’s teacher, perhaps my mother or grandmother knows him. btw … ? experience do u have that makes u so sure it was jl spm or even blended well?
and if what you are saying about mixing styles is true then bruce lee’s spent a lot of his life being stupid and inexperienced…
–u said it better than me. jun fan was nothing, created nothing, left nothing. when u quit mistakening movie for reality u might have a chance. btw … if u want to read jun fan’s philosophy, read J. Krishnamurti’s works … that’s where jun fan stole it from.
GINGER FIST
LOL you crack me up man! i like it ALOT!
Gingerfist
Montana is a big state.
Have you met with Chin (Norman) Sifu’s senior student?
I have heard that his skill is great.
Just thought I’d second the comments on Tony Leung. The guy has power down to his fingertips.
I’ll always be grateful to him for showing me what a kung fu class should be like.