Hi I’m new here and just wanted to find out who does southern praying mantis as well.
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Hello! What branch of spm do you study and under who?
Thanks
Dong gong chow gar tong long under sigung Henry Sue
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Hello again! Good to see more spm people on here. I study Kwong Sai
Jook Lum Tong Long Pai under Gin Foon Mark and others.
I dont know to much about Henry Sues chow Gar other than what has been said on the net, which is mixed. How is your studying going? Is there many differences between Henry Sues chow gar and the Chow gar
being taught by Ip Chee or Paul Whitrod?
I think paul whitrods the same Im not sure.Sarm bo jin is our first form which is what im leaning now.We train Tai Chi also to supplement the tong long.
Suppliment the tong long?
I dont know the sues tong long but I dont see why you would need to suppliment the tong long with Tai Chi. what is lacking within Chow gar that you find within Tai Chi?
Ah you misunderstand me.There is nothing lacking from tong long.Complement would have been a better word.It gives you a good base by improving your balance.
You got it!
BALANCE IS EVERYTHING.
No matter HOW you get it, maintain it, use it, and understand it is GOOD.
Whatever works, Guy.
-jo
ahh ok but I fail to see why Chow Gar tong long would not teach you the same principles… I ask this as I used to train another southern mantis style which was complimented by Tai Chi and after four years of training in it. I fail to see what it brought to the system that wasnt already there.
I can see your point of view but it brings a whole yin/yang thing into it.The speed and power of tong long is balanced by the softness and beauty of the tai chi.Not that tong long doesnt stand up on its own merits.Plus i think tai chi is cool!
Well.. Tai Chi is cool.
You can’t argue with that. 
Chow Gar under Bill Spraggs/Rob Dawkins (under Paul Whitrod) in UK.
Just restarted Yang taichi, too. And Yoga :).
I love taichi’s slow and careful examination of balance etc. Those methods translate well into any style, not least spm.
Rgds,
David
Whats the difference between chow gar and jok lum,7 star and 8 step mantis.anybody know?Still sore from last nights training but it was fun.Sarm bo jin(Three step arrow) is our first form what are the names of your forms?
hard and soft
Originally posted by mantis-1
ahh ok but I fail to see why Chow Gar tong long would not teach you the same principles… I ask this as I used to train another southern mantis style which was complimented by Tai Chi and after four years of training in it. I fail to see what it brought to the system that wasnt already there.
Not everyone sees the connection between hard and soft in Chow Gar.
When starting out, most people only practice “the hard” as the power generation is intoxicating.
When they learn that the power increases with smoothness and fluidity (softness), the light bulb over the head turns on.
Your bulb turned on sooner then most!
-jo
hey..
briefly
qi xing (7 star) and ba bu (8 steps) are NORTHERN Praying mantis styles (unrelated to sountern mantis)
chow gar and jook lum are SOUTHERN Praying Mantis ..
check out the Southern Praying Mantis Forums community at:
http://b2.ezboard.com/bsouthernprayingmantiskungfu
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Henry Sue (Siu) 's Chow Gar has branched off from then main line (for lack of better word) chow gar of Master ip shui. And it cannot be said to be “the same” as paul brennan, paul whitrod etc who following in the chow gar ip shui …
Malcolm Sue branched off completely founding is own style ging mo kune
the Sue-Tin Brothers bracned off comepletely combining thier tai chi training with their tong long to found hok se tong long and lin wan sam sao styles
check out da tonglongforums for more info
So what do you think of shaolin inviting him to bring the art back to the temple and being recognised by them as custodian of the art?
well i dont know anything about the last few years attachment of + shaolin wushu to name of chow gar tong long regarding Teacher henry sue’s school.
making a trip / being invited to shoalin temple is nice and many schools do it. His older brother, Teacher Malcolm did this quite some years ago and i think does it yearly still.
now for the tricky part 
briefly,
i think u may have the custodian thing mixed up.
first naturally henan shaolin have no authority or right to make any such thing.
Master ip shui does.
im guessing ur thinking of when Teacher henry sue was given the custodianship by Master ip shui in the early 90s (approx)
move along quite some years and Master ip shui revoked the custodianship and Teacher henry sue is no the official representative anymore for Master ip sui chow gar tong long pai.
Teacher henry sue has developed his own method of chow gar tong long.
the current aust. representative for Master ip shui is Teacher Paul Brennan.
there are also other non-“main line” (for lack better word) groups of chow gar tong long students deriving from the chow gar pioneers in australia as well. and new styles developed eg. ho se tong long.
that is the current fact, so naturally this can get a little uneasy, with some politics etc…
so back onto track with nam tong long!:
how are u finding your training? enjoying it?
chi sao is a killer hey!
Peace
Yes Ive not encontered this aspect of training yet(Im at a basic level)Tong long is great ive not done any art as effective in the past.Regardless of whos brand you do I dont think the essence of it is lost like what has happened to Wing Chun.Pok sou jongs are my among my favorites but for me its the heun jarn jong love it!
Quote:Regardless of whos brand you do I dont think the essence of it is lost like what has happened to Wing Chun.
A different view. All depends on who one learns from and how well they learn it and can apply it…both in southern mantis and wing chun. The mantis world is just smaller and quieter.
When I gar sou I cant get the opponents arm accross their body far enough and i always end up on the out side.Any tips?