[QUOTE=Vajramusti;863470]((Similarities- some but differences many- in structure, footwork and motions))))[/quote]Sure. His basic stance was a little more sideways. He used a lot of something very similar to san gwok ma. Greater use of a more front-weighted stance though not as much as you’d think. Ways of issuing short power esp with two arms at once were pretty similar, tho he did tend to go way off line (obviously a strategy in CG).
The use of elbows was very similar to ours. As was their leg work (knee control, small stamps and trips and low kicks).
((Odd? Fundamental to progression in wing chun. WC is not the only way to fight-but if one chooses the WC way- the SLT and good chi sao is part of the wc way))
Sure. I like chun. I like the chun progression. But for a supposedly quick to learn and apply no-nonsense art, it has a very slow way of developing. There’s no footwork in the first form! Of course there is the base of the later revealed footwork, but there’s no movement! My school was relatively quick in that it taught turning drills and wallbag as soon as the student had the basic grasp of the punch and chain punch (after the first section) but I know of some schools that don’t allow any stepping or turning until CK, because that’s when they show up in the form… Which, frankly, is silly.
(( Good WC has short power too-but not necessary to strike on trees))… ((Not enough))
So you’re agreeing then? I wasn’t suggesting training on trees is the way forward. But compared to the wallbag you can vary the distance a lot more and use a lot more different parts of the body to strike, thus also getting used to hitting whilst moving and so not risking losing your structure becasue most of your stance work for the first year or so has been stationary!
I’m emphasising the importance of hitting something preferably as close to a moving human as possible. Heavy bags would have to be the logical conclusion (I’ve come to this conclusion many times from many different starting points…).
((I dont “pull” punches-just control appropriate amount of power- depending on context/intent))
Joy, what’s the difference between ‘controlling an appropriate amount of power’ and ‘pulling a punch’? They are neither of them hitting full power; they are both using a different energy. Are you saying you ever hit your partners full power so you can feel the effect of short power?
Most people I’ve seen and felt in WC demos and chi sao will say they’re not pulling by using what I call a push-punch: you know the short power we’ve all seen that gets your partner flying back. Well, in a fight, I don’t necessarily want to waste my energy getting my attacker to fly back. Of course, that is one of the WC energies and the one most easily and frequently practised. But what about the other types: eg penetrating and crushing/sinking? Well the first can be practised on a heavy bag, for example: if I can unload my strongest most rooted hit and the bag doesn’t move, I know I’ve got it delivered correctly into the bag’s centre of mass. For the second one if I can punch the bag and crumple it in the middle without it flying back (the most common energy for a body shot in boxing for example) I know I’ve got it.
Basically, again, that’s the difference between practising at full power and not. The pushing energy is the only one that really gets practised at full power in chun it seems to me.
((He must have seen bad chi sao—lots of it around. Good that you got to work some with /observe another style))
Agreed, and yes, it was very useful. Not the first time and won’t be the last.
Thanks for your reply.
:rolleyes: