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Compare the lineage of GuangZhou Wing Chun with the lineage of Snake Crane Wing Chun:
=== =========================================== GuangZhou Wing Chun :
SunKam FungSiuChing YuenKayShan SungNung(GoungZhouWC/ SnakeCraneWC/ YuenKaySanWC)
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[I] (FungSiuChing : SunKam early year disciple) [/I]
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From the Wikipedia, GuangZhou Wing Chun also named Snake Crane Wing Chun or Yuen Kay Shan Wing Chun.
Compared with the Snake Crane Wing Chun, both of them are still using the old naming terms on their techniques. Also, the three forms of them are very similar and they use the same name on their twin knieves “YeeGeKimYeungDuMingDao”.
Compared with other lineages not from Sun Kam, there are very big differences on the forms, on the technique and techniques names, on the weapon form and weapons name, on the stances and etc.
If the information on the ‘’(GuangZhou Wing Chun) in Wikipedia is valid, it is clear that the two inter-related lineages traced back to Sun Kam are really called Snake Crane Wing Chun.
What about Fok Bo Chun and Yuen Chai Wan ? Dindnt Sun Kam or Dai Fa Min Kam just know Weng Chun and not the three forms Sui Nim Ta ,Chum Kui , Bill Jee or maybe Sun Kam (Dai Fa Min Kam ) new both Weng Chun and the three form system Wing Chun .
[QUOTE=Firehawk4;1150333]What about Fok Bo Chun and Yuen Chai Wan ? Dindnt Sun Kam or Dai Fa Min Kam just know Weng Chun and not the three forms Sui Nim Ta ,Chum Kui , Bill Jee or maybe Sun Kam (Dai Fa Min Kam ) new both Weng Chun and the three form system Wing Chun .[/QUOTE]
If you take the weng Chun and the yks/snake crane, and compare. It is obvious they are using two different types of engine.
Take a look at the older generation of weng Chun versus yks . You can clearly sees. Weng Chun is old hung kuen core. And yks is snake crane core. The engine develop in one’s body tells the story of the person’s art.
So, there is very not likely sun kam can develop two engines like one side is vampire and the other side is werewolf.
Also, we know the three set is converted from the one long set. Wong wah Bo and lj is responsible to it. Thus, it has to come from the wong line.
As for jee sin, even in my lineage some believe that. But the issue is how can a shaolin master jee sin create WCK from an emei propietory technology. And also, which type of engine jee sim cultivate?
If you freeze time at the 1960take a look at weng Chun wing Chun at that time. And then take a look at today weng Chun and wing Chun one can see there are moves which adapted by both party in hong kong. But, the engine gap cannot be close because weng Chun still do with old hung kuen and CLF engine. While the wing Chun people still snake and crane type.
Thus, it is two different art with some distorted history which could be observe via the technology.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150337]If you take the weng Chun and the yks/snake crane, and compare. It is obvious they are using two different types of engine.
Take a look at the older generation of weng Chun versus yks . You can clearly sees. Weng Chun is old hung kuen core. And yks is snake crane core. The engine develop in one’s body tells the story of the person’s art.
So, there is very not likely sun kam can develop two engines like one side is vampire and the other side is werewolf.
Also, we know the three set is converted from the one long set. Wong wah Bo and lj is responsible to it. Thus, it has to come from the wong line.
As for jee sin, even in my lineage some believe that. But the issue is how can a shaolin master jee sin create WCK from an emei propietory technology. And also, which type of engine jee sim cultivate?
If you freeze time at the 1960take a look at weng Chun wing Chun at that time. And then take a look at today weng Chun and wing Chun one can see there are moves which adapted by both party in hong kong. But, the engine gap cannot be close because weng Chun still do with old hung kuen and CLF engine. While the wing Chun people still snake and crane type.
Thus, it is two different art with some distorted history which could be observe via the technology.
Just some thoughts.[/QUOTE]
So wing chun has a snake and crane engine and weng chun has hung kuen and choy li fut engines?