[QUOTE=Runlikehell;1150093]Thank you for your insight.
Regarding Weng Chun, it seemed possible because Wong Wah Bo was said to have taught that first. Some of their san sik apparently resembles some of the san sik Leung Jan taught in Kulo, but that could just mean common origins or similar techniques.
Others with experience in Weng Chun, older Wing Chun lineages or with knowledge of that particular part of their histories may know more.
Yeah, I remember his post. From memory he said that his family still practice the long SLT descending from Wong Wah Bo.
I can imagine, but it seems likely that san sik could be added into the set without actually creating a complete set/art as such.
Thanks again.[/QUOTE]
IMHO,
one always can add San Sik to one’s style, it is like adding mt round horse kick and bjj takes down .
Weng Chun is a hung gar /old hung kuen and CLF based art, it is a different art compare with wing Chun which is using siu Lin tau as the core center. Even kulo is practice and preserve the essence of siu Lin tau , but weng Chun divert from it. Further more, take a look at the engine, although weng Chun has move similar to wing Chun, it doesn’t use snake engine but old hung kuen and CLF type of engine. A good way is to freeze time at 1960 take a look at both style and observe. Today is not a good observing point because there are plenty of more add in from wing Chun, weng Chun, to taiji. 1960 is less distorted.
one always can add San Sik to one’s style, it is like adding mt round horse kick and bjj takes down .
Weng Chun is a hung gar /old hung kuen and CLF based art, it is a different art compare with wing Chun which is using siu Lin tau as the core center. Even kulo is practice and preserve the essence of siu Lin tau , but weng Chun divert from it. Further more, take a look at the engine, although weng Chun has move similar to wing Chun, it doesn’t use snake engine but old hung kuen and CLF type of engine. A good way is to freeze time at 1960 take a look at both style and observe. Today is not a good observing point because there are plenty of more add in from wing Chun, weng Chun, to taiji. 1960 is less distorted.[/QUOTE]
one always can add San Sik to one’s style, it is like adding mt round horse kick and bjj takes down .
Weng Chun is a hung gar /old hung kuen and CLF based art, it is a different art compare with wing Chun which is using siu Lin tau as the core center. Even kulo is practice and preserve the essence of siu Lin tau , but weng Chun divert from it. Further more, take a look at the engine, although weng Chun has move similar to wing Chun, it doesn’t use snake engine but old hung kuen and CLF type of engine. A good way is to freeze time at 1960 take a look at both style and observe. Today is not a good observing point because there are plenty of more add in from wing Chun, weng Chun, to taiji. 1960 is less distorted.[/QUOTE]
Thanks again for the insight. I understand what you mean.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1150129]how can u look at 1960?
how can you compare them???[/QUOTE]
I could be way off, but say for example you use the known lineages teaching Yip Man Wing Chun in HK in 1960, most if not everyone probably taught the WC they had learned from Yip Sifu/his senior instructors.
Now it’s easy for people to maintain personal expressions while also adding in elements from other MA to further express themselves and to reach their goals as a martial artist.
Of course, these are just my thoughts. It’s technically impossible to travel to the past but that’s what it seems like to me.
[QUOTE=Runlikehell;1150143]Thanks again for the insight. I understand what you mean.
I could be way off, but say for example you use the known lineages teaching Yip Man Wing Chun in HK in 1960, most if not everyone probably taught the WC they had learned from Yip Sifu/his senior instructors.
Now it’s easy for people to maintain personal expressions while also adding in elements from other MA to further express themselves and to reach their goals as a martial artist.
Of course, these are just my thoughts. It’s technically impossible to travel to the past but that’s what it seems like to me.[/QUOTE]
From old photos, article, film…ect. 1960 photos were popular.
[QUOTE=Runlikehell;1150145]Yes, that’s very true.[/QUOTE]
One time some one is discussing WCK in south east Asia, and I ask them to shows their picture collection of 60, 70, 80, 90 and present day. That tells the story of the lineage.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150147]One time some one is discussing WCK in south east Asia, and I ask them to shows their picture collection of 60, 70, 80, 90 and present day. That tells the story of the lineage.[/QUOTE]
Wonderful. They can be a great preservation tool, in this day and age it is so easy to preserve such stories. I hope that many families have followed this method, not just in WCK but in other arts.
[QUOTE=Runlikehell;1150149]Wonderful. They can be a great preservation tool, in this day and age it is so easy to preserve such stories. I hope that many families have followed this method, not just in WCK but in other arts.[/QUOTE]
I put some utube and classical writing out so that the next generation has some data points if they decide to do reserch.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150150]I put some utube and classical writing out so that the next generation has some data points if they decide to do reserch.[/QUOTE]
Great that you do that, it also gives us on the board more insight into your lineage, WCK practices and methods.
I fear we have derailed this thread, but kept it along similar lines.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1150234]So hendrik what is your definition of the word “Engine”
why do you feel Wing Chun can only be a snake engine but not both?
Also with that in mind…What engine is the Tiger and Crane?[/QUOTE]
Engine means characteristics the practioner’s body transform into.
Example.
A vampire cannot be a werewolf. A werewolf is not a fairy. A werewolf fight different compare to a vampire. One cannot be a werewolf and vampire in the same time. The body will not permit.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150248]Engine means characteristics the practioner’s body transform into.
Example.
A vampire cannot be a werewolf. A werewolf is not a fairy. A werewolf fight different compare to a vampire. One cannot be a werewolf and vampire in the same time. The body will not permit.[/QUOTE]
What about Underworld evolution. The Character Michael is Werewolf Vampire Hybrid…ooh an what about the vampire diaries the character Klause…He is both Vampire and Werewolf is he not…He has the best of both worlds.
Also there is a character named Tamal which is a vamplycanthrop
