You got it 
I personally still don’t think it stems from JJJ, but that really doesn’t matter much, does it?
I also seem to remember this guy saying he could move clouds with his qi. Lol.
Here is a quote from a legit Kung Fu master (Yang Tai Chi, White Crane, and Long Fist) Yang Jwing-Ming:
“With the intimate involvement of Kung Fu in Chinese culture, one fact becomes extreme important. Kung Fu, like Chinese culture, is over three thousand years old. During those three thousand years every possible aspect of martial theory and technique has veen exposed, developed, and practiced. This long history of practical development has made Kung Fu the most complete system of martial arts in existence. The long history of Kung Fu is a great asset since those thousands of years have seen a continual growth in theory and technique. To reject three thousand years of experience is to reject everything of proven value.â€
As for Thai Boxing, I would discourage you from taking up Thai boxing because they do a lot of body conditioning that is effective but painful and probably your life … so much for self-defence, eh? Also, most Thai boxers are retired by the time they reach mid 30’s, and usually end up in wheel chairs.
I’m here in Virgina, I’ve been in fights, I’ve used martial arts, traditional at that.
All styles have two things in common. “Attack” and “defend”. That is what makes all styles equal. It will always ultimately come down to the fighters and to circumstances during the fight.
Any technique can work in the right situation. It’s just a basic fact man! If you don’t see the kick coming and it catches you in the chin, you’re on the freakin floor. Bottomline. You put too much emphasis on style and not enough on individuals. There are TONS of people who will tell you traditional kung Fu is useless, tons more will say the same about karate, others will say the same about Boxing, others will say it about Jujitsu. You can’t dictate how a Wushu dude will react to a punch, you can’t dictate how a traditional stylist will reatc to the wushu guys punch, you can’t dictate anything.
Whats the point? Train in what you believe in and go as far with it as you can. But I guarantee you. Lots of people disagree with me, I know that. Half of the time is because they’re trying to advance they’re own agenda. Me? I have no agenda. Nor do I really care.
The template for military self-defense on both the mainlaind and Taiwan is hsing-i as it provides the necessary essentials that can be learnt in a short period of time and can be built on over time.
I am quite familiar with a 50 year old plus guy who had a pro fighting career in Thailand, and last time I checked, he had more energy than a 3 year old on speed.
So much for winding up in a wheel chair…
MartialKnight,
lots of peaple may disagree with you, but Im not one of them, well at least not this time ;).
I guess anybody can get defensive when peaple try to put a negative spin on something you love 99% of the time they speak. There are a few here on both sides of the coin. Bottom line is a disrespectful jerk is a disrespectful jerk, no matter what art they study.
For the record, Ive liked Kung Fu ever since I was a little kid. I wouldnt be here if I didnt.
fightfan,
Great post!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fightfan:
My favorite quote from Helio is “Give me leverage and I can lift the world”. I believe thats just what he did.
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Do me a favour! Is there nothing that the Gracies won’t try to steal?! That may have been said by Helio at some point, but it’s not his quote. Try doing a little history research (and you’ll need to go back several hundred years!)
You cannot defeat the Bronze Girls of Shaolin!<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>I’m here in Virgina, I’ve been in fights, I’ve used martial arts, traditional at that.
All styles have two things in common. “Attack” and “defend”. That is what makes all styles equal. It will always ultimately come down to the fighters and to circumstances during the fight.
Any technique can work in the right situation. It’s just a basic fact man! If you don’t see the kick coming and it catches you in the chin, you’re on the freakin floor. Bottomline. You put too much emphasis on style and not enough on individuals. There are TONS of people who will tell you traditional kung Fu is useless, tons more will say the same about karate, others will say the same about Boxing, others will say it about Jujitsu. You can’t dictate how a Wushu dude will react to a punch, you can’t dictate how a traditional stylist will reatc to the wushu guys punch, you can’t dictate anything.
Whats the point? Train in what you believe in and go as far with it as you can. But I guarantee you. Lots of people disagree with me, I know that. Half of the time is because they’re trying to advance they’re own agenda. Me? I have no agenda. Nor do I really care.[/quote]
How the hell did my post from The Jet li boards end up here? 
“brawling gracies slugfest”
Like Royce getting the sheet
punched out of him by Sak?
LOL serpent
yeah, my other favourite quote from Helio is when he said “let there be light” and there was light.
and that book he wrote.y’know, the one that starts
“it was the best of times, it was the worst of times”
___________________________________________________________________________ “I’m just trying to lull you into a genuine sense of security!”
Hey there you super friends, I suggest you actually visit the Gracie’s website and send them an e-mail and ask them personally what’s it all about. They are very friendly guys and will answer pretty much any question you have regarding their history or style.
As will Wong Kiew Kit, who is also a very nice gentlemen that will personally reply to your queries.
peace
Kung Lek
Kung Lek your fighting a losing battle its accepted in the MMA community that the Gracie Family learned Judo which is derived from a couple different styles of Jujutsu. Even the diehard Gracie Zombies who so vehemontly defended that the Gracies learned Jujitsu now admit he learned Judo along with other such nonsense such as the Gracies inventing the guard. Brazillian Jujitsu apart from Kodokan places a greater emphasis on newaza. I wouldn’t go by what the Gracies say so much you have to remember up until about a year ago on the Gracie Torrance website(Rorion, Royce) stated that the Gracies had been undfeated generation after generation!! When in fact they won an amazing amount of challenges each generation they were consistenly beaten each generation.
yeah, they have a great photo of helio getting whupped and planted on their site. 
they got a lot of cajones, and you can’t take it away from them. they have probably won more challenge matches than they have lost by anyones recollection. you can’t take that away from them either.
peace
Kung Lek
Haha! Kung Lek put his foot in his mouth this time lol…
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-WatchmanExactly Kung Lek! Even if you aren’t sure you like them, you can’t knock 'em. Tough family.
But hey, as far as origins, I’m sorry I even got sucked into the argument… it’s just not important when you get down to it