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Originally posted by T’ai Ji Monkey
Yes, I can see how misdirected my posts where, when you need to resort to name calling.

I call it like I see it. Don’t like it, tough luck. Hmmm… where have I heard that before?

Admit it already you got something up your arse about SD

You wanna rephrase that please! :eek:

and are looking for any chance to proof them wrong and show everybody how wrong they are.

Not at all. Everybody accused me and others of having a personal agenda against SD and not looking at their actual techs and the validity of their style for fighting. So I addressed that here.

Sd ain’t doing anything that hundreds if not thousands other schools are also doing and teaching.

Quite right. And myself among many others like to pick that up too. It’s just that right now there’s SD practitioners across these boards like fleas on a stray dog, so they’re flavour of the moment.

But I can only see more name-calling and insults coming from you, very mature and good debating skills there.

Don’t be like Chris M and start to look at the debate rather than the content. Name calling or otherswise, the points are still valid and/or worthy of addressing.

Seen the likes of you on many boards and usually they get the boot fairly quickly.

Yeah, I’m sure I won’t last a minute. I’ve only been here longer than just about every other person currently posting.

On one board they recently removed all the non-MA post-counts and the guy with the highest count ended up with a very low post-count. :wink:

Yeah, as if anybody would have the time to do that. Oh wait, maybe you do?

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Originally posted by T’ai Ji Monkey
My point still stands that serpent wanted to stand SD and themeecer up and was NOT interesting in discussing what was said or similar.

Well, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But you’re wrong. I tried very hard to only address the technique.

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A note on insults in debates:

If Person A says “The world, sir, is flat, as should be quite obvious. I can demonstrate how quite handily; simply look around you. Do you see a curve?”

And Person B “Look, you stupid fucking windowlicker, the world is round. Look at the goddamn horizon; the reason you can’t see forever is because of the earth’s curvature. Retard.”

Guess what; PERSON B IS RIGHT.

So let’s knock off this retarded notion that someone being insulting automatically makes their argument weak.

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tai ji monkey,

I understand where you’re coming from. At the same time, some arguments I think need to happen, for reasons both sides are privy to, and both sides will seek those arguments despite what anyone else does. Serpent takes the offensive here, themeecer has taken the offensive on mullin’s forum, it seems that they are in agreement in wishing to conduct this argument. To choose one to defend is pointless, because you can only act as a shield for one while they go on the offensive.

That’s my opinion of course.

I am frankly glad that the SD members are involved in a larger martial arts community than just their own schools. Closed schools have some bad side effects, ime.

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KCE.

My opinion being.

If you want to discuss a technique do so, regardless of where it came from or who proposed it.
I am sure that this teaching is NOT unique to SD alone.

Thus I take objection to the title thread and the way that the thread was started.
Especially given the history of SD on here and the arguments that happened between serpent and themeecer.

I am neither pro- nor con-SD, but the continous X vs Y arguments are getting old and very boring.

Like many here I would like to see more MA-related threads regardless of style or lineage.

So I would say lets discuss the validy of biting an opponent and list all the possible pro and con points, without involving any styles, lineages or other non-essential references.

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Matrix Fu.

When will people just accept the fact that some people will be more skilled in other areas. It should be a given that if you dont practice in a particular area you should just shut the hell up when it comes to talking about it.
The idea that you can beat a skilled groundfighter (or even someone with basic knowledge) by simply biting them is an obvious flaw in basic commen sence. How on earth are you ever going to get into a postion to bite anything when there going to be controlling you like a child anyway? Say you do manage to get in a postion to sink a bite, they will also probarly have the knowledge and skill to readjust and avoid it happening again.

Why cant some people just accept that if they do end up on the ground vs a skilled grappler they are going to be in a world of trouble?
Why do some people need to always have to look for some kind of magic pill solution?
Why wont some consider that if someone was a specialist in the ground game they would probarly be pretty aware of what is and is not possible down there?

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Sad times indeed …

when Laughing Cow and Serpent, two allies in the US-bashing threads, are now divided over Shaolin-Do. :smiley:

In all seriousness, I think Serpent did have all the right intentions when he posted this thread. And in all fairness, he did make it clear he did not want to discuss the lineage questions about SD but rather the techniques and fighting philosophy. themeecer chose to reveal who the quoted poster was.

It is not unusual for people to post thread on KFO that relate to discussions on other forums. In fact it happens fairly regularly. Personally, I think Serpent has done nothing wrong and infact I thought it was a very good topic.

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Dang, there really isn’t anything here for me to say. Honestly after fatherdog’s comments I reasoned that I wouldn’t be able to say anything constructive in this thread anyway. (Open myself up for a flame there, but oh well. The ones that aren’t trying to down me every moment will know what I meant there) Anyway, carry on.

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Joedoe.

I am just tired of the ongoing prosecution of SD and it’s members here.
As for serpent he can be fun and sometimes he has good things to say. :wink:
OTOH, I don’t think that themeecer or his opinions speak for all the SD community.

Having read a few threads over on their board(yup, a member there) it looks like there are some splits and different opinions within the SD community.

Not surprising at all, look at the divisions in any style and their arguments.

I guess I will now crawl back to the IMA forum and continue in our endless debates. :smiley:

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Originally posted by T’ai Ji Monkey
[B]Joedoe.

I am just tired of the ongoing prosecution of SD and it’s members here.
As for serpent he can be fun and sometimes he has good things to say. :wink:
OTOH, I don’t think that themeecer or his opinions speak for all the SD community.

Having read a few threads over on their board(yup, a member there) it looks like there are some splits and different opinions within the SD community.

Not surprising at all, look at the divisions in any style and their arguments.

I guess I will now crawl back to the IMA forum and continue in our endless debates. :smiley: [/B]

LC, I understand and for a long time I got tired of it too. In the end however, I realised that without SD bashing, this forum was too quiet :smiley:

A few months back this forum was very quiet. Why? All the SD threads had died a natural death. Then a bunch of SD practitioners jumped on and fired up all the old arguments again. So in a way they made the rod for their own back.

Personally, it doesn’t bother me. SD does not affect me that much, and in a way it is entertaining to see watch the discussion go back and forth and often recycle. In a way it is a microcosm of the circle of life :slight_smile:

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Re: Sad times indeed …

Originally posted by joedoe
when Laughing Cow and Serpent, two allies in the US-bashing threads, are now divided over Shaolin-Do. :smiley:

I could probably agree with some of the things Saddam Hussein would say, but that doesn’t mean I’m his ally! :wink: :smiley:

In all seriousness, I think Serpent did have all the right intentions when he posted this thread. And in all fairness, he did make it clear he did not want to discuss the lineage questions about SD but rather the techniques and fighting philosophy. themeecer chose to reveal who the quoted poster was.

It is not unusual for people to post thread on KFO that relate to discussions on other forums. In fact it happens fairly regularly. Personally, I think Serpent has done nothing wrong and infact I thought it was a very good topic. [/B]

Thanks Joe. I really did try to post this as a genuine KF related post with the best of intentions. If I’d found it on another board I would have done exactly the same thing!

Sometimes ya just can’t win.

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Ok … T’ai Ji Monkey = Laughing Cow? I’m confused. Dang it … don’t tell me that he dogs the US … I was really getting to like him. Oh well, I’ll just not discuss those matters with him and I can still like him. :smiley:

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Originally posted by themeecer
Dang, there really isn’t anything here for me to say. Honestly after fatherdog’s comments I reasoned that I wouldn’t be able to say anything constructive in this thread anyway. (Open myself up for a flame there, but oh well. The ones that aren’t trying to down me every moment will know what I meant there) Anyway, carry on.

So does that mean that you realise that your advice and that of your teacher is without merit outside of the most extreme, low percentage of situations? Or are you just not prepared to defend your viewpoint any longer?

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No just saying .. what’s the use? You are going to believe what you believe and I’m going to believe what I believe, period.

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Originally posted by themeecer
Ok … T’ai Ji Monkey = Laughing Cow? I’m confused. Dang it … don’t tell me that he dogs the US … I was really getting to like him. Oh well, I’ll just not discuss those matters with him and I can still like him. :smiley:

Nahh, I am just anti-US goverment and it’s policies, capitalism and a few other things.
:smiley:

Don’t have a problem with the US-citizens, heck, one of my country-man made it BIIIG over there.

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Originally posted by T’ai Ji Monkey
Nahh, I am just anti-US goverment and it’s policies, capitalism and a few other things.

Yikes!!! I am pro all those things. Guess we won’t be having any discussions on that then. Hehe

Thanks for the links by the way.

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(off topic)

I’m with you Monkey. Our government blows and our officials are retarded. The original foundation of the country wasn’t too bad, (though George Washington was a drunken, wife-beating, slave owner/Freemason.) :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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Now dang it trilo … you are attempting to stir up exactly what I didn’t want stirred up. Grrr I’ll be looking for you at the Mullin’s tournament. Hehe

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Hehe .. what the heck was that?!?!?