Watch it there Brad. You can argue, rib, insult me if you like and it makes you feel like a bigger man, but that comment is down a road that needn’t be taken.
Hit a nerve, did I?
BTW, just read KC’s post… LOL 
Oh, so he’s a lawyer. I’ll have to rephrase my post then.
THE BELOW POST IS PURELY SATIRICAL, AND IN NO WAY MEANT TO DISAPARRAGE THE MEMBER JUDGE’S PEN, WHO AS FAR AS THE POSTEE, KC ELBOWS, IS AWARE, IS A MAN OF SUCH STRENGTH OF INTEGRITY AS POSSIBLE WHILE STILL PRACTICING LAW.
The poster in the second case, KC ELBOWS, in referrence to the poster in the first case, JUDGE’S PEN, inferred a public representation purely meant to be seen as satirical based on the behavior of the poster in the first part, and not in any way legally binding or in other ways limiting to the lawyerly right to act for the law and in no other way within it.
The poster in the second case then made reference to the postee to the poster in the first case, themeecer, who stated that the anatomical part in the first case(AP-A) could heretofore be removed through judicious overrepresentation of the anatomical part in the second case(AP-B). In thus stating, the poster in the second part failed to adequately cite Mr. Meecer by disregarding Mr. Meecer’s caution to readers to use mouthwash, yet not floss or brush, to which the poster in the first part interpretted in a manner not legally binding and again, in no way limiting to the lawyerly right to act in whichever way most closely related to the ancient primates that need not have been our ancestors for the intents and purposes of this case, vis a vis COCHRAN VS. COMMON SENSE.
The poster in the second part then continued by extrapolating a tendency to confuse effects for causes, which for the purposes of this document, need not be seen as any limitation upon the judiciaries’(including, but in no way limited to those with quills) rights to freely and openly toss or fling bodily mass one(BM) in the manner most closely approximated as “practice”, as per VON BULOW VS. THE MISSUS.
This document written this day, the 23rd of October, 2003.
The lawyers for Mr. Karl Carruthers Elbows
My side’s hurting I’m laughing so hard from that KC!
I think Meecer had some valid points.
When I block an attack I try to do it with my teeth.
Yeah…that’s right…I just catch the punch in my mouth and bite the hand off.
I call it alligator style. Golden alligator style…you know…like they used to teach in the University of Shaolin system.
Waff abuth tha ethect a ya teef ya athk?
lol:D
Since I was the one arguing with “themeecer”, I’ll add my .02
The advice to bite out a pressure point or a testicle was given as a legit defense against a ground fighter, not as something to use as a last resort or at an opportunistic time. I brought it up because it is bad advice(btw, I said you could do it, but it has a very low possiblity to work). If it’s a full on fight, a grappler will try to gain position on the ground, and pound you in the face from either mount or knee on stomach. themeecer was giving this advice to people from a teaching position. It is/was foolish advice. I said there are better ways to defend against a grappler; ones that rely on practicality. He stated that, after gauranteeing that he could gouge and bite before anything could be done to him, if it didn’t work he still had his 9 deadly weapons available to him even if his arm was broken. Again, it is beyond foolish to tell the people that you rank over, that they can be effective with a broken arm. Can you fight with a broken arm, yes, but you will be at a severe disadvantage, and your other 9 deadly weapons will be impacted by this as well. it almost seems stupid to be arguing these things, but not as much as offering them as legit defenses.
Monkeys are known to bite, but they are built to more effectively deliver a bite. Monkeys throw crap at each other and masturbate in public, but it would be stupid for a human to mimick this behavior, too.
I’m curious fu-pow .. what training have you had in ground fighting?
Thank you Judge’s Pen, I consider laughter the greatest compliment. I learned that in the shower at gym class.
Originally posted by themeecer
Watch it there Brad. You can argue, rib, insult me if you like and it makes you feel like a bigger man, but that comment is down a road that needn’t be taken.
I’ll go down it right now. If your post was, as it claimed to be, a representation of your teacher’s views on groundfighting he is an idiot that knows nothing about fighting on the ground. Period.
Originally posted by themeecer
I’m curious fu-pow .. what training have you had in ground fighting?
None. I try not to take it to the ground if I can. Actually, one of the overriding prinicples in CMA is to stay on your feet.
I have taken a 16 hour Chi Na seminar from my old Hung Ga Sifu but never specifically ground fighting.
You got me there Golden Alligator maybe your testicle bites of death would work? Who knows?
Hell, I’d even try it standing up, why punch or kick when you can just bite someone in the ballzak?
Agreed, though if meecer is telling the truth, his idiotic views are being backed up by a fairly high ranking Shaolin-Do instructor… so if I were you guys, I’d be a little worried
This is why the thread was entitled SD techs not themeecer techs. meecer is a black belt in SD and an instructor and he maintains that his teacher, a SD Master, also advocates this advice. On the Mullins board it was being “taught” as valid technique.
meecer, I was happy to leave names out of this. You chose to step into the light.
Originally posted by Serpent
meecer, I was happy to leave names out of this. You chose to step into the light.
Pull the other one.
You specified where it was posted and therefore knew that people would go and see who said it.
Nice attempt, but it don’t float. We all know that you got an agenda with SD and themeecer especially.
So drop the “I am so holy routine” we ain’t buying it.
themeecer came here and said that it was him and I give him credit for that.
IMHO, if you have a problem with what he said YOU should have replied on THEIR forum, rather than bring the issue up over here trying to make yourself look superior where YOU knew that you would get more support than on the other forum.
I say it as I see it, don’t like it? Tough luck.
I don’t think support is the crux of the matter here. I think it’s somewhat unrealistic to expect a forum devoted to a particular school to foster direct criticism of techniques of that school, criticisms that aren’t based in the idea that “all criticism is acceptable as long as it finds the school’s techniques to be sound”. The fact that Sd proponents didn’t comment on the inefficiencies of said proposal, despite there being several I know of who are smart enough to know better, suggests that debate in that case is not possible there because of mutual respect issues/political considerations.
In fact, the main support of the comments here essentially changed the context and meaning of the comments themselves in order to agree with them.
By the same token, anyone that is willing to expose their ideas to others and hold debate that way will do fine in the long run, and probably not merely accept things on face value because that is what they’re told.
On the flip side, more than a few people here just a few years back were proposing the same ideas as valid approaches to ground fighting, and some of them learned since then.
Thanks KC - that’s exactly why I posted it over here.
TaiJi Monkey - you really are a cock.
You specified where it was posted and therefore knew that people would go and see who said it.
Yeah, I stated my sources without providing any links or anything else. I deliberately tried to direct the discussion to the content, not the poster.
We all know that you got an agenda with SD and themeecer especially.
So drop the “I am so holy routine” we ain’t buying it.
Yeah, I have an issue with them and I think the meecer is a complete tool. I’ve said as much before. But in this case I left all that aside in order to concentrate more on the reasons for those impressions. The fact that meecer chose to identify himself was up to him. And I don’t give him any props for it - he thinks he’s great and repeatedly spouts his opinions here that are usually in contradiction to the large majority, about SD and just about everything else.
IMHO, if you have a problem with what he said YOU should have replied on THEIR forum, rather than bring the issue up over here trying to make yourself look superior where YOU knew that you would get more support than on the other forum.
Read KC’s post again, imbecile.
I say it as I see it, don’t like it? Tough luck.
Looks like you have more agenda here than me.
Once again - I’m trying to draw attention to things that are being taught by SD black belts and their Masters, in an effort to discuss the content of the teachings. I’m deliberately trying to stay away from anything personal so that we can look at SD with purely analytical eyes.
KCE.
Good post.
Actually, if you read the thread over there you would have seen the same pro- and con- arguments that happened here a few years ago. 
Serpent quoted out of context and to be honest I think themeecer somewhat misunderstood what his teacher meant and thus the posts he made.
I see SD as a fairly closed community that until recently was not open to much outside influences and opinions, nothing bad in itself in that if that is what they want.
Said that I still think that the points I made about Serpent starting the thead here are still valid.
Serpent’s passionate about certain things, I can respect that, I am the same way, though not about the same topics necessarily.
As far as themeecer, I cannot assume he just misunderstood his teacher, because the only information I have about his teacher to judge from is him. I can’t draw any conclusions about his teacher’s position that are counter to his, though any conclusions I draw would be pretty limited due to a lcak of sources. However, to assume a higher level of understanding on his teacher’s part based off of no information is something I don’t tend toward, simply because I believe too many martial arts expect you to view teachers as beyond their actual capacities.
A minor point, I know, but nonetheless, an excuse for me to practice my typing.
Originally posted by Serpent
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TaiJi Monkey - you really are a cock.
Read KC’s post again, imbecile.
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Yes, I can see how misdirected my posts where, when you need to resort to name calling.
Admit it already you got something up your arse about SD and are looking for any chance to proof them wrong and show everybody how wrong they are.
Sd ain’t doing anything that hundreds if not thousands other schools are also doing and teaching.
But I can only see more name-calling and insults coming from you, very mature and good debating skills there.
Seen the likes of you on many boards and usually they get the boot fairly quickly.
On one board they recently removed all the non-MA post-counts and the guy with the highest count ended up with a very low post-count.
KCE.
No problem with what you said and I kinda agree.
Unfortunately NOBODY asked themeecer to clarify what he exactly meant and under which context he was taught that.
People simply went onto the offensive and attacked the messenger.
Imagine I go onto the IMA forum and start talking that we need to develop Dang Jing (Crotch force) without explaining what I mean, I would get stoned there too and I am an IMA guy.
My point still stands that serpent wanted to stand SD and themeecer up and was NOT interesting in discussing what was said or similar.
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