Tank Abbot Rules!
This is just idle curiousity, but how many of you who go on and on and on about the UFC and all these other competitions actually fight? Must be great to live vicariously through others.
For those of you who think it’s so easy to just stick to someones jab and shut them down, sounds nonsensical to me. The first assumption you are making is that you outclass this other fighter. How does that saying go? oh yeah “everyone has a plan until they get hit.”
Ryu
Those LONG stories that should be a book you write, thats whats boring. You my man are simply boring.
How dare you call me boring, Your the fu(king king of boring.
You ramble on about crap.
When do you even train, your always here.
BROWN BELT, come back when you devote enough time to become a black.
Go on home Home Boy!!
Braden
Some of those rules mentioned a pretty new but they have been around for a couple of UFC’s. I’ve seen numerous fights where these rules were utilized: Ricardo Almeida vs. Semenov, there were numerous standups when Almeida was down in his guard and Semenov was standing.
I do agree with you though that laying on your back and just waiting is one of the silliest tactics around. We call it butt scooting and I really believe it has no place in this kind of fighting. Coming from a wrestling background I always hated it.
“Another interesting viewpoint. Padding strikes (ie. decreasing the power of strikes) favors strikers? Hrmm…”
I really thought this was obvious here…??? In the early UFC’s numerous strikers were breaking their hands whenever they struck their opponents head; that isn’t the case nowadays. Now you can reinforce your hands with wraps and tape. This adds a couple of lbs. to your fists and undeniably makes them feel like cement. Have you ever gotten hit with a taped fist Braden? it’s not fun. The glove provides less than an inch of padding and are really there to stop cuts and soften the blow to your hands.
“I wonder how quick people would pull mid-range guard or go for many of the popular guard and flying submissions if the back side of their head was near something hard, let alone curb-like.”
You’ re definately right there, there would have to be an adaptation and alot of the flashier moves would have to be removed. However I do stand by my argument. Most pure strikers do not know how to breakfall, defend a takedown or any basic ground positions. They would find themselves on the bottom, with only conrete underneath them. Can you imagine what would happen if a Greco Roman specialist or Judoka connected with a high amplitude throw on concrete; they’d have to scrape that guy off with a spatula.
Paul,
I just had to say. The reason why so many of us use MMA as an example is because it can be verified. It’s on video tape and everyone can view it. Would you prefer it if we used personal anecdotes as examples. I could easily say that I beat up 20 Kung Fu masters single handedly… would it be true?? no one knows because it’s unverifiable.
I didn’t call you boring. I called these threads boring.
It doesn’t even pay to be objective in these types of threads. 
Bottom line is that grappling and striking are reality in fighting.
The way you perform any of these depends on the training you do in reality.
UFC and MMA try their best not to favor either striker of grappler.
The champions of MMA are well versed in BOTH grappling and striking.
Grappling on concrete does not equal hellish torture and death. ( :rolleyes: )
Having tiny gloves does not decrease punching power. ( :rolleyes: )
Not all fights go to the ground.
A lot of fights do go to the ground.
Many real fights can be (and are) finished with a sucker punch and flurry of strikes.
When you go to the ground in a streetfight you need to get dominant position and hit uninterrupted. KO’s and concussions are much easier to get with uninterrupted ground and pound.
Uninterrupted ground and pound is not always possible.
Striking is not always possible.
Winning …is not always possible.
…oh and Karate (Tinman’s version at least) can’t win in UFC or the Street 
Ryu
AA - I haven’t watched any of the recent ones, so I have to admit I’m probably “behind the times.” I realize that padded hands and padded floor offer considerable benefit to striking-oriented fighters; I just believe they also offer considerable (but different) benefits to more grappling-oriented fighters. So I did not mean to imply that these rules favored grapplers, only that they didn’t favor strikers.
As for your other comments, I’d have to agree.
Chang Style Novice said:
But what about my other hand? You may ask. Well, what about it? I still have a hand free, too, and can use it to counterpunch while my sticking hand jams up your lead hand, or to deflect/stick to punches your other hand may throw.
Good description of the sticking principle, but I’d like to add a viewpoint. If you really properly control the other one’s arm/hand, as in actual qinna, you don’t much need to worry about the other hand. Dominating the opponent’s one hand enables you to control their entire body. It’s your body vs. their hand – you do the math.
That said, “sticking” and qinna is rather hard to do, yeah. That’s “kung fu” for you.
I’m not going to comment on the “kung fu” vs MMA stuff too much, but I do think the conversation should be shelved unless we keep it constructive. Why try to convince the other side with words, when the stuff we do is about actions.
You wanna prove kung fu works – step up. Otherwise – put up.
lol @ MP
Stacey had some good points as well.
Nicely done Ryu and Well said.
I’ve got to give you credit for that.
O.K. Good point.
Now
I like how you spaced all your pharases apart.(it kept my attention;) )And
You are a very good writer. That was well writen,I guess when your on line all day and not Training you become a good writer because I know you have had plenty of experiance here.
Go get some training in.
Ryu is correct!
Originally posted by Paul
For those of you who think it’s so easy to just stick to someones jab and shut them down, sounds nonsensical to me. The first assumption you are making is that you outclass this other fighter. How does that saying go? oh yeah “everyone has a plan until they get hit.”
Quite so, Paul. If I implied that it would be ‘so easy,’ that is indeed nonsensical. Nothing is ‘so easy’ against a resisting, skilled opponent with a reasonable idea about your game plan. Not even throwing a flurry of punches. That’s pretty much my point, along with the fact that every technique has a countertechnique.
LOL
Ah it’s clear to me now Tinman. Okay, I’ll make sure to get some “training” in.
LOL
Ryu
Ryu - I’m not sure if that post was directed at me. In case it was:
“Grappling on concrete does not equal hellish torture and death.”
I never claimed nor implied such a thing.
“Having tiny gloves does not decrease punching power.”
I was clumsy with terminology. Replace power with effect.
I’m sure none of the other statements were directed at me. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Quick, somebody post that Erik Estrada “You’re a ****” photo…
that was ho-mo btw.
Because this entire worn out ass topic is gay like a Elton John/George Michael/Boy George concert, with a dance number by Richard Simmons and a beyond the grave performance by Liberace.
in spandex.
Braden, I wasn’t aiming those at you, sorry. 
Just lots of stuff I hear a lot from lots of people. Nothing directly at you at all.
Ryu
It’s all good dude. Just checking. I actually agreed with everything you said. I can be a bit of a dunce sometimes to overstate my argument. But I didn’t want it to sound like I thought the situation was pro-grappler, or that I was anti-grappler as neither is the case.
Archangle,
I still don’t see how this validates what YOU are doing?
So what? some (or many) pro figher(s) can make it work. Great for them. That stuff IS cool to watch and I take nothing away from their accomplishments.
How does it validate what YOU are doing? Are you a pro fighter? Are you at that level?
Surely this grappling VS striking bullsh!t can merely be sorted by the theory of knowing yourself AND your opponent?
By having enough experience in your style to make it work - to know what it can and can’t do, and keeping yourself in the “zone” that it works in.
By having enough experience of other arts [grappling if you’re a striker] to know what you opponant can do, and to keep the fight in the “zone” where his skills are void.
No? I think it’s called common sense. You don’t even have to “cross-train” as long as you use you head.
Oh how i wish i had saved my rickety bridge line for this thread.