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They generally don’t believe in video because they feel much is lost when their system is communicated that way. Big deal. That does not mean they are secretive.

I don’t regard an organisation that put a 222 page book as “secretive”.

I think the issue many have with HFY are that they make claims about their system, some of which border on the grandiose, but are unwilling to properly answer the many legit questions begged by those claims. There are terms for such behaviour - marketing, propaganda, etc.

I live in Australia. I could pay large amounts of money to go visit, but a cost benefit analysis indicates my best course of events is to make a judgement call on the veracity of available info. Which I have.

The last TWC guy mentioned on this forum that went to an HFY kwoon didn’t have a particularly positive experience, IIRC.

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[QUOTE=tbone;849968]Keith and others that think there is some secrecy to HFY… not showing video of them does not equate to secrecy. [/QUOTE]

Hey Tony!

Video is just a small part of it. Stick around, you’ll see. Or go back and do a search in the forum for past threads concerning HFY. But Andrew is right, maybe “secrecy” is not exactly the right word for it. Maybe “obscuration” is a better word? Let’s just say “not very forthcoming” and leave it at that. :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=anerlich;849984]The last TWC guy mentioned on this forum that went to an HFY kwoon didn’t have a particularly positive experience, IIRC.[/QUOTE]

And then an all-expense paid invite to a following seminar was offered to make up for the misunderstanding. So, maybe one should share and consider the whole story before passing any judgement on that. And what about the other TWC’s guys that visited and had a positive experience where much information was shared?
And you want to talk about propaganda… :rolleyes:

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HFY clips

Guys, it is just a clip… don’t have to nit-pick or dissect it to the microscope level. Whether it is bringing more awareness about HFY or a marketing tool, it is their prerogative. I am sure some other Yip Man lineages did the samething too.

If you all want to foster better relationship, why not give each other some room and benefit of doubts?

Just my 2 cents.
CHS

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And then an all-expense paid invite to a following seminar was offered to make up for the misunderstanding.

And if I had been in that position I probably would have told him to jam it as well.

Propaganda? I’m not trying to SELL anything or convince people to visit and taste the Kool-Aid.

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If you all want to foster better relationship, why not give each other some room and benefit of doubts?

That has also been tried without success.

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All,
We can only communicate our personal experiences, and personally, I’ve probably contributed a greater deal of HFY info here on KFO than most other HFY members. So when someone says that HFY isn’t forthcoming, I’ve got two things to say to that:

  1. You’re only looking at one side of the coin, because I’ve shared a whole lot here over the years. So have several others, so a person can’t in all truthfulness say we don’t share. I give you a slice of cake, and you complain because you want the whole d@mn cake. You have to earn it.

  2. In all seriousness, why the hell would I want to tell you how my kung fu works? We’re dealing with martial arts. Fighting. Sparring. Training. To me, my kung fu is as personal as my social security number, my bank account info, my personal life story. For that matter, it’s no one’s call what I choose to share about it to the public. It’s not about being secretive. It’s about not being any of your business. It’s called boundaries. If you want to learn more, you gotta put the hands on it.

I don’t take stock in learning martial arts online, and certain (if not the majority of) questions are best answered in person. Quite obviously, Kung fu is learned in person. Everything else is just words.

I could take personal offense whenever someone calls HFY a cult, says we’re being secretive, or whatever. For people who talk that kinda sh!t, all I can say is that type of thinking will never get you far.

As far as relationship building, Andrew give me a break. You are the last person looking to build a relationship with the HFY family. Stop posting like you’re some angel whose done nothing but show good will to HFY. :wink:

Regards,
Savi.

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all I can say is that type of thinking will never get you far.

Yep. We’ll never match Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

You are the last person looking to build a relationship with the HFY family.

Actually, I think Victor, Terence, Alan Orr, Robert Chu et al are giving me a run for my money. Sorry if I missed anyone that wanted in on that list.

Stop posting like you’re some angel whose done nothing but show good will to HFY.

You’re a riiot, Savi. I don’t think anyone entertains that, especially not me. Whatever goodwill I had for you zealots was exhausted shortly after I reviewed MKF on the forum. I have no interest in building relationships with WC’s version of Scientology. Ask Tony Jacobs if he’s still got his $5, BTW.

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[QUOTE=anerlich;850037]Actually, I think Victor, Terence, Alan Orr, Robert Chu et al are giving me a run for my money. Sorry if I missed anyone that wanted in on that list.

You’re a riiot, Savi. I don’t think anyone entertains that, especially not me. Whatever goodwill I had for you zealots was exhausted shortly after I reviewed MKF on the forum. I have no interest in building relationships with WC’s version of Scientology. Ask Tony Jacobs if he’s still got his $5, BTW.[/QUOTE]Zealots and Scientologists… “$5” and Tony Jacobs… and even more name dropping of people who aren’t even on this thread.

Like I said, you’re FAR from building any positive relationships with HFY. Thanks for the MKF review. I’ll give you that much. As far as your “welcoming arms” to HFY, forget it.

Originally posted by CHS
If you all want to foster better relationship, why not give each other some room and benefit of doubts?

Originally posted by Anerlich
And if I had been in that position I probably would have told him to jam it as well.

Originally posted by Anerlich
Propaganda? I’m not trying to SELL anything or convince people to visit and taste the Kool-Aid.

Originally posted by Anerlich
That has also been tried without success.
You, Anerlich, foster good will and better relationships? With comments like yours, who exactly are you trying to kid? Your view of HFY is as clear as the noise on KFO.

I’ll pass at handing you a shovel. Your posts save me a lot of typing. You’re doing just fine.

Cheerio,
Savi.

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Anerlich, when you are in every HFY discussions on the forum, I think you are trying really hard to have a relationship with the HFY family. Victor, Terence, Alan Orr, Robert Chu and yourself have earn the title of “HFY stalker”

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[QUOTE=JPinAZ;849982] . . . C’mon man, you lived in Detroit for some time, and there was a workshop just 4 hours or so drive to ohio every year for the past what, 8-9 years? You could have made the trip and seen for yourself if you were really interested. But now you’re waiting for your personal invite…[/QUOTE]
When I went to the VT Museum for a Sifu William Cheung seminar they were doing Moy Yat WC. Also the issues here didn’t present themselves until I moved to NJ.
Someone did invite a TWC “begginer”. He wouldn’t have known what to look for in a WC lineage. Whereas a close student of Cheung Sifu would have.

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Just let it be Anerlich … but you can’t.
I think it’s fair to say that approach has NOT been tried, eh?
Anyways, it looks to me the zealot and scientologist of HFY attachement is on ya.
now back to your normal stalking program as I’m sure this will have no profound impact on your HFY attachement.
I have to agree with some other basher, you really crack me up too.

Phil, let it go, it’s in the past.

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Hi Savi!

I’ve probably contributed a greater deal of HFY info here on KFO than most other HFY members.

—This is true. Thanks for being one of the few that are willing to actually engage in conversation.

so a person can’t in all truthfulness say we don’t share.

–Ok. Then let’s just say that what you are willing to share is somewhat limited.

In all seriousness, why the hell would I want to tell you how my kung fu works?

—Uhhh, maybe because this is a Wing Chun kung fu forum and that’s what we come here talk about??? :confused:

It’s not about being secretive. It’s about not being any of your business. It’s called boundaries.

—Then why come here at all? Most of us are here to talk about Wing Chun. If you’re not, then why are you here?

I don’t take stock in learning martial arts online, and certain (if not the majority of) questions are best answered in person. Quite obviously, Kung fu is learned in person. Everything else is just words.

—No disputing that. And no one is out to learn HFY online. We’re here to talk and compare and analyze because we are interested in Wing Chun in all its varieties. If you aren’t willing to share much info about your particular variety, then how do you expect to keep from being called “secretive”?

I could take personal offense whenever someone calls HFY a cult, says we’re being secretive, or whatever. For people who talk that kinda sh!t, all I can say is that type of thinking will never get you far.

—Hey! If the shoe fits, don’t cry out too loud! Look the HFY people who came to the defense of that video clip when one of the HFY guys in Brazil that was involved in its making called it a total fiasco!

Stop posting like you’re some angel whose done nothing but show good will to HFY.

—I don’t think anyone would call Andrew an angel. Except maybe his mother. :slight_smile:

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just my point of view!

I think this video serves the general public well. I can’t say I know exactly what is being said. Concidering I don’t speak the language. But from what I do see it’s a video that opens a discussion of Wing Chun. I like the fact that it is bringing Wing chun to a person who might not be exposed to this great art! My brazilian kung fu brother is now a HFY member so it only stands to reason that this would be his topic of discussion. I personally do not see any reason why he should not demonstrate some of his other Wing Chun skils. I don’t think a disclaimer should have to be in place to display different wing chun skills. Do we now have Wing Chun police? LOL!

Excuse me sir did you know how fast you we’re going when you did that Tan Sau?
LOL!

Come on gents I’m sure we can use this forum in a more productive manner!It can have much more potential! :wink:

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[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;850047]Someone did invite a TWC “begginer”. He wouldn’t have known what to look for in a WC lineage. Whereas a close student of Cheung Sifu would have.[/QUOTE]

Phil,
So whats your point? Are you ****ed cause you didn’t get invited to the prom? There should be another NY area seminar this year, if you are interested contact the hosting Sifu when it is announced and register like any other participant. It’s as easy as that.

Matt

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[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;850047]When I went to the VT Museum for a Sifu William Cheung seminar they were doing Moy Yat WC. Also the issues here didn’t present themselves until I moved to NJ.
Someone did invite a TWC “begginer”. He wouldn’t have known what to look for in a WC lineage. Whereas a close student of Cheung Sifu would have.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;850047]..but when I offered to accept an invitation I got no response as of yet.[/QUOTE]

I think you are still missing the whole point. The invite was to the ‘beginner’ because of the misunderstanding that happened previously - to show good will. Now you turn it into you feeling left out because you didn’t get your own private invite to some see HFY for yourself. What a joke.
Why do you feel, because you are a close student of anybody, that you deserve some special treatment or invite from HFY? You want to see something, get off your but and go see it! Instead you complain that you still are waiting for your own special invite :confused: Do you really believe that is how things go. Keep waiting for your invite… it’s in the mail :rolleyes:

This makes me think of a good point Savi made. " I give you a slice of cake, and you complain because you want the whole d@mn cake." Nothing seems to ever be good enough for some people. People from HFY come and share a good amount of info on this forum and others, and then people demand the whole system be explained on a forum. Phil feels he’s entitled to a private invite from HFY all because he’s a senior guy in a different WC and one was offered to his ‘beginner’ student. It seems that for some here (and elsewhere I’m sure), nothing will ever be good enough. Oh well, get over it is what I say.

IMO, Unless you are willing to do more than log into a forum from time to time, either get off your butt if you want to see more, or be happpy with what you can get off the internet and stop all the whining - HFY doesn’t owe anybody anything!

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[QUOTE=osprey3883;850133]Phil,
So whats your point? Are you ****ed cause you didn’t get invited to the prom? There should be another NY area seminar this year, if you are interested contact the hosting Sifu when it is announced and register like any other participant. It’s as easy as that.

Matt[/QUOTE]
****ed? . . . No . . lol

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[QUOTE=JPinAZ;850136]I think you are still missing the whole point. The invite was to the ‘beginner’ because of the misunderstanding that happened previously - to show good will. Now you turn it into you feeling left out because you didn’t get your own private invite to some see HFY for yourself. What a joke.
Why do you feel, because you are a close student of anybody, that you deserve some special treatment or invite from HFY? You want to see something, get off your but and go see it! Instead you complain that you still are waiting for your own special invite :confused: Do you really believe that is how things go. Keep waiting for your invite… it’s in the mail :rolleyes:

This makes me think of a good point Savi made. " I give you a slice of cake, and you complain because you want the whole d@mn cake." Nothing seems to ever be good enough for some people. People from HFY come and share a good amount of info on this forum and others, and then people demand the whole system be explained on a forum. Phil feels he’s entitled to a private invite from HFY all because he’s a senior guy in a different WC and one was offered to his ‘beginner’ student. It seems that for some here (and elsewhere I’m sure), nothing will ever be good enough. Oh well, get over it is what I say.

IMO, Unless you are willing to do more than log into a forum from time to time, either get off your butt if you want to see more, or be happpy with what you can get off the internet and stop all the whining - HFY doesn’t owe anybody anything![/QUOTE]
It’s obvious where the whining is coming from. I can say one thing for sure. Savi has you beat at diplomacy. At least he knows how grown men should discuss things.

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Phil,

I’m not Savi, nor am I competing with him. People handle things differently. I only came on here after you complained about not getting your HFY invite after your beginner did. Now it seems you want to resort to somwehat ofr a personal attack and skip the issue. Is that how ‘grown men’ discuss things?

You still never answered. Since it was you that brought it up, why is it that you feel you are entitled this honor from HFY regarding a personal invite? And why not take matt’s advice and just go see it for yourself?

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[QUOTE=JPinAZ;850151]Phil,

I’m not Savi, nor am I competing with him. People handle things differently. I only came on here after you complained about not getting your HFY invite after your beginner did. Now it seems you want to resort to somwehat ofr a personal attack and skip the issue. Is that how ‘grown men’ discuss things?

You still never answered. Since it was you that brought it up, why is it that you feel you are entitled this honor from HFY regarding a personal invite? And why not take matt’s advice and just go see it for yourself?[/QUOTE]
Because of the ongoing discussion about similarities between HFY and TWC.
A beginner wouldn’t have the expertise to make a comparison. Also two men can disagree and still be civil. I don’t say anything online that I won’t say to a man’s face. I don’t resort to name calling, insults, or grade school rants. Now I hope you don’t twist this into a personal attack.