Hi Savi!
—Thanks for the reasoned and sensible reply. Some comments below:
In my opinion, it comes down to one thing, and that is there is so much in the HFY system that is simply not in many other Wing Chun systems which cannot be discussed in depth without direct experience.
—Ok. I am willing to accept that idea. But it seems you are one of the few that are even willing to try.
Yes, there is a great deal of technical jargon that not too many people are familiar with, but much of the jargon is actually HFY hou kuit.
—But I get the distinct impression that a lot of it is simply “dazzle them with brilliance” terminology and unnecessary.
when trying to discuss things HFY related, we generally get accused of four things:
- Your talk is all marketing, and its just repackaged Wing Chun.
—I think that this stims from the fact that a lot of the technical jargon turns out to be just a different name for something everyone is familiar with. This goes along with my point just above.
- Oh, we have that too. Youre just using different words to sound different. More marketing.
—See above. Same applies. I believe you when you say there is a lot in HFY that is not in other WCK systems. But there is also a lot that is! Otherwise it wouldn’t be WCK! When we keep hearing dazzling technical jargon for things that everyone is doing, then you are going to naturally get points 1 & 2 of your list. But when you say that something is NOT the same as we think it is, but then are either unwilling or unable to explain why…
- Now you are just being secretive, unwilling, and afraid to share.
…you get point 3 on your list.
So for most of those HFY members engaged on KFO, it becomes exceedingly difficult to have a deep conversation with non-HFY folk when there is not enough common ground to begin with,
—Is HFY Wing Chun, or isn’t it?
If we stay true to HFY language, we shut everyone else out. If we water it down to simple English, it sounds like what we do is the same as others (but we dont). Trying to maintain a balance in between is a tough thing to do without getting accused of things.
—Now that I find hard to swallow. If the differences are that large, they should be easy enough to explain. If they aren’t…
HFY is not a modern regurgitation of other Wing Chun. It doesnt matter how you cut it. Common sense: NO ONE appreciates being called anything that is not true.
—They why the hesitation to prove everyone wrong! Why not CLEARLY explain the huge differences? Why not put out videos showing just how different HFY is from the rest?
I am confident enough to say that the cumulative knowledge I have in Ip Man Ving Tsun cannot be compared to Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun because they are just too different. Even though, yes, they are both Wing Chun.
—With your background in both, and the huge differences that exist…why is it so hard to describe and explain those differences? An apple is very different from an orange, which makes it easy to describe. A Johnny Smith apple isn’t so different from a red delicious apple, which makes it harder to describe.
The MKF book was a promotional piece to help preserve the existence of HFY, it is not an instructional book. Even with more HFY books on the horizon, and a video in the works,
—So…is there going to be HFY videos or not? You’ve said one thing, Matt said something different.
The circumstances today still arent conducive to educational talks, so unfortunately you are left with a small few.
—But ask yourself…what created those circumstances?
And we still have to deal with those four points listed above, if not more. What It has nothing to do with earning the right to talk here. I talk about Wing Chun, but Keith, your opinion ignores the history of discussions here. For me, its the other way around. If you (generally speaking) want to inquire about HFY, youd better have some respect for HFY first, if you want to get far.
----I will repeat what I said before. If you are coming here to discuss Wing Chun, then you better be prepared to talk on equal footing with the rest of us. If someone wants to know if I have a specific motion or technique in my Biu Gee form, I’ll tell them!!! :eek: Did that question ever get answered on that other thread? It ended up so long and belabored that I lost track!
But dont come up to me and tell me I have to open up to you, everything I know.
—No offense intended Savi, and I do appreciate you being willing to share more than most, but what have you got to hide?
I asked the question because I wanted to hear the justification. You are correct. After all that I have read here I would be very surprised to see HFY instructional videos hit the market. But, then again, there was the book! So who can really say? But really…why should HFY be hesitant to offer videos? Why be afraid to show your stuff? It seems odd that the HFY family seems interested in spreading on an international scale, yet they hesitate to actually show people what their system is like.