No. I don’t speak Portuguese, but I can recognize when the narration mentions “Hung Fa Yi” multiple times. So it doesn’t take a genius to conclude that the feature was supposed to be about HFY, and yet when the HFY instructor is speaking what we are seeing in the background is not HFY because, according to you, he is not “allowed” to film any HFY methods. So this is deceptive story telling at its best. Nothing stupid about that conclusion!
Fact 1: The story is promoting HFY in Brazil
Fact 2: Lots of unnecessary filler from Bruce Lee flicks, but hey…that’s what attracts viewers!
Fact 3: What is being demonstrated (other than Bruce Lee) is implied to by HFY, since this is a story promoting HFY in Brazil.
Fact 4: What is being demonstrated is NOT HFY!
Fact 5: This is deceptive to anyone watching that doesn’t know anything about HFY!
Fact 6: Nothing “stupid” about this conclusion
Fact 7: Whether or not I am an “ahole” remains to be seen, but you can’t conclude that from what I posted! :eek:
[QUOTE=KPM;849447]That sounds typical! Geesh…give me a break! Now the HFY family is deceiving the general public in Brazil!!! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Keith, I fail to see any deception. As Savi stated, they are doing a version of HFY SNT in the background. Yes, it does lack certain technical things, but Alex Magnos is most certainly a HFY guy.
As a rule, we as a family don’t do videos. Sifu Magnos was granted an exception to promote his school. Trying to keep the HFY shown to a minimum is not deceiving in any way.
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I for one don’t speak portuguese so can’t comment on the commentary or the context of the interview, so unless KPM is fluent in the aforementioned language, to state that HFY are deceiving the public in Brazil could well be taken as an inflamatory remark.
I do know that Alex Magnos is a member of the HFY family, but knowing that he comes from a Yip Man background and is certified to teach, who here is to say what material he may or may not present to the public ? or to what extent he had control over the TV presentation.
Obviously the Bruce Lee stuff is not HFY, nor the wooden dummy (looks like the opening of YM dummy). As Savi stated at about 1.30 looks like a part of HFY SNT form without the detail expected from students with exposure to the formula. So looking at that part only, from the perspective of the four big seals I can recognize some of it as HFYSNT.
Fact 8: The policy of “secrecy” within HFY is something that will always be the cause of numerous problems and conflicts with the rest of the wing chun world.
Too bad.
It’s a policy that really has no place within the martial arts world of the 21ft century.
An outdated and counter productive way of thinking, because it creates walls - not bridges.
The TV clip from our school in Brazil was already explained. Sifu Alex Magnos is just teaching the best he can while he himself is learning HFY and transitioning from his prior YM program.
As for no secrets in KF in the 21st century?? Ha! That’s a joke. I guarantee you that every single WC school has their own “insider” knowledge. No big deal.
However, this is not the case in this instance.
Beginning students are discouraged from making videos for the public simply because from this point in their learning… what would documented ultimately is a video full of structure/space distortions and lack of true HFY body karma/awareness.
Our concern is that these incorrect documents would then be past down and transfered to other students. Bringing in self-interpretations into the system and before you know it, the true identity is lost.
We base our system learning on what we call Hou Chun San Sau. Direct learning… therefore much less personal misinterpretations can be had, and when they do, they are corrected first hand.
Due to popular demand :p… we plan to make legitimate HFY videos direct from our HQ in SF under the guidence of our GM. But until then, don’t expect to see any video’s from our members.
Best to all, and good luck with the training!
PS… on another note. TV in Latin America sensationalizes EVERYTHING. That’s just how their TV culture is. It would be wise to take this into consideration upon viewing the news clip.
Thanks Savi that was quite simple and to the point.
If Mr 8 posts hhe, actually said something to that effect in the first place we could have avoided all this B S.
HFY is written on the baseline key in the interview etc (the on screen Graphic at the bottom)
Ever see a Car commercial where they have a baseline key saying “overseas model shown”. Perhaps they should have put a “Ip Man VT shown” key at the bottom of this clip :rolleyes:
PS… on another note. TV in Latin America sensationalizes EVERYTHING. That’s just how their TV culture is.
I see few sincere efforts to help “understanding” - which lead to the accusations of secrecy, though there is little evidence that anything unique lies beneath the veils.
Duende, you obviously dont watch FOX NEWS. LOL[/QUOTE]
Touche’
Actually I try to not have any TV in the house whatsoever. But somehow, with every new season of “Project Runway” my girlfriend manages to drag one in! :rolleyes:
I’m happy with watching Battlestar Galactica DVD’s on my computer.
[QUOTE=Eric_H;849486]Keith, I fail to see any deception. As Savi stated, they are doing a version of HFY SNT in the background. Yes, it does lack certain technical things, but Alex Magnos is most certainly a HFY guy.
As a rule, we as a family don’t do videos. Sifu Magnos was granted an exception to promote his school. Trying to keep the HFY shown to a minimum is not deceiving in any way.[/QUOTE]
Let’s say you’re watching a news clip about a new Jaguar dealership in town. 80% of the video footage is of people driving around in all kinds of cars, none of which are Jaguars. But that’s ok, because you realize that its just filler as the news person talks about the background of the Jaguar company. But now let’s say the footage cuts to an interview with the owner of the new dealership. He is obviously talking about Jaguars, but you notice that the car parked in the background is a Cadillac with a Jaguar hood ornament. Wouldn’t you be wondering what’s going on? Wouldn’t you see that as a bit deceptive? Now let’s say you asked about this and were told that the Jaguar Headquarters won’t allow that dealer to film any of its cars. Wouldn’t you be wondering what’s up at Jaguar HQ? Why would someone do a promotional spot for their new service or product, and then purposely show the public that they are promoting it too something that is not the actual product they are selling? Whether intentional or not, that seems to me to be a little deceptive.
Keith, you are an Ahole. Do not make conclusions before you know all the facts. This TV interview was on Wing Chun in general, not a HFY special. Do you understand Portuguese?
It is stupid to make judgments or conclusions without the background context.
Hey Keith, Victor, Liddel,
Deception, policy, cult as you express but on the other hand I see HFY is not nicely packaged to your your conclusions, 21st century policy and beliefs. “I’m sure of it.”… whatever.
HFY members have already gave background on the video. If its not to your polcies or understanding - too bad but we tried.
Here is a post from a student under Sifu Alex Magnos:
Hello everybody,
My name is Cesar and i live in Aracaju, Sergipe - Brazil. I am one of sifu Alex Magnos’ s students here. I was present in Aracaju when this video by TV Sergipe was made. In fact, in my personal opinion, the final edition and report presented by this network was a fiasco. They totally misinterpreted the information not only about Bruce Lee, but also about Anderson Barreto, who is not a HFY teacher in Brazil.
It seems they are very slow to understand about families and other points concerning Kung fu. So when it comes to kung fu, many people here tend to think of Bruce Lee only and that’s the reason why he was present on the report.
So again, Anderson Barreto is not a HFY teacher, and this and all the other mistakes, including Bruce Lee’s participation, come from the TV network only.
wow, thanx for the info guys and the general level of respect. I hope the instuctor in the clip is not offended by the criticisms of his students training. they seem to have come from hfy guys anyway though. Hopefully more will be shared in the future so that hfy can be recognised for whatever is unique to them. experience can only make us all better students. Peace.
[QUOTE=hhe;849854]Keith, your attack on HFY is very deceptive.[/QUOTE]
I’m not attacking anyone. But what does urk me is the secrecy surrounding HFY. Its an out-dated attitude in modern society. This clip was rather deceptive in how it portrayed HFY. I thought that was obvious. I think others did too. But some of the HFY faithful didn’t think so. So I had to point out the obvious. If you see that as an attack on HFY, then I apologize. That is not what I intended. And besides, if you want to talk about attacks, YOU were the one that called ME an ahole!
[QUOTE=KPM;849859]I’m not attacking anyone. But what does urk me is the secrecy surrounding HFY. Its an out-dated attitude in modern society. This clip was rather deceptive in how it portrayed HFY. I thought that was obvious. I think others did too. But some of the HFY faithful didn’t think so. So I had to point out the obvious. If you see that as an attack on HFY, then I apologize. That is not what I intended. And besides, if you want to talk about attacks, YOU were the one that called ME an ahole![/QUOTE]Keith and others that think there is some secrecy to HFY… not showing video of them does not equate to secrecy. I’m fortunate enough to live near a HFY club so I could go check them out first hand. I realize that many others don’t have the same situation as I and you may be frustrated that they don’t have video for you to evaluate. Still this is not secrecy.
All I did to see HFY was give a call and show up to class. I’ve seen invitations extended right here on this forum but some people haven’t taken the HFY guys up on the invite.
They generally don’t believe in video because they feel much is lost when their system is communicated that way. Big deal. That does not mean they are secretive.
edited to add this…
My name is Tony Myers and I live in Kansas City. Don’t want to be thought of as posting anonymously.
[QUOTE=tbone;849968] . . . I’ve seen invitations extended right here on this forum but some people haven’t taken the HFY guys up on the invite. . . [/QUOTE]
Hi Tony, a student of mine was invited but when I offered to accept an invitation I got no response as of yet.
PR
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;849981]Hi Tony, a student of mine was invited but when I offered to accept an invitation I got no response as of yet.
PR[/QUOTE]
haha - not really trying to drag this thread down any further, but Phil, are you implying that you are awaiting a formal, personal invite to come see HFY for yourself? That’s a bit much don’t you think? You ‘offered to accept an invitation’?? why not just go see what it’s about for yourself? Now you feel people need special invites from HFY? :rolleyes:
C’mon man, you lived in Detroit for some time, and there was a workshop just 4 hours or so drive to ohio every year for the past what, 8-9 years? You could have made the trip and seen for yourself if you were really interested. But now you’re waiting for your personal invite…
Looks guys, it’s really not that big a deal - like Tony said, all someone has to do is stop in at one of the kwoons/clubs. Or, go to one of the many public workshops that happen each year all over the country (california, arizona, texas, ohio, new york, etc)
Nothing secret about anything.
