If you are black , it was not meant racially.
But It still stands you don’t even know why… :rolleyes:
Your “technical” analysis was “cute”.
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;776335]If you are black , it was not meant racially.
But It still stands you don’t even know why… :rolleyes:
If I don’t know then school me. If you know something the say it, don’t sling insults. Now if you are eluding to some chi blast or fahjing theory…Sevenstar already went over this same topic and posted a nice little bit on how that same stuff applies to western boxing so…nothing unique. Well maybe if you can chi blast. Then alls I got to say is…HADUKEN!!..pics or it didn’t happen.
Your “technical” analysis was “cute”.
Glad you liked it, not as “cute” as you though pumpkin.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t joking when I said first I wasn’t being a di(k. I want to know if there is something there unique to kung fu. I’m waiting for someone to educate it. But since you are the only one holding your view (in this thread that I can tell), you got to be the one. So until you use your argument to argue my argument then my argument stands until its changed. But I got to say, if you aren’t going to bring something logically based and just sling names, then I think I’ve already given you more respect than you deserve.
LOL!! ROFL!! You’re an idiot!!! LOL!! And don’t even know why!!! LOL!!!
4 posts now directed to me with this same immaturity and you still haven’t managed to speak one inkling of a logical thought. Just schoolboy pranks. Seriously, I’m not calling you out at a whim like you say others here are. Really, what is it that is so kung fu about it? Use whatever you want to say it. Mantis has its 12 keys, 8 hard/soft methods. Hung has its bridges, etc. I’m sure your style has something in an organised method so what is it?
No I’m going to drag you around for a while. Some things are so blatantly obvious that it seems comical to try and explain then to you.
i think one is the best
then 2 and then 3
simply because in 1 they grapple as well
as for representing kung fu
i think neither
as most dont train as well as these guys
I hate to sound like knifefighter but. #2 is play fighting. There is NO contact at all. Maybe a few knockdowns that were gentle. I could play like that all day. Its cute that they did all these techniques, But without consequence. This is where the kung fu movie mentality steps in.
I hate to sound like knifefighter but. #2 is play fighting. There is NO contact at all. Maybe a few knockdowns that were gentle. I could play like that all day. Its cute that they did all these techniques, But without consequence. This is where the kung fu movie mentality steps in.
Wow, im gonna have to agree with you on the part that it was play fighting. But in all seriousness, what you were doing was not that different but with the age content and level of experience at the time it makes more sense.
The thing is even if you say intent behind the blows it does not change what is actually being used. If you take a 1st year tkd students, karate student,kung fu student it will all look the same. Later on take those same students and comapre them and their sparring still looks the same. They teach “self defense techniques” and sparring. The self defense is considered the core or what the style is real about but why is it the technique are not applicable by most if not anyone in a real fight scenario? The War Dvd thing show a bit more promise because they are actually trying to use what they say is real. In the play sparring they are trying but in your and please don’t take this as an offense but it is just generic sparring.
Like I told soco, you weren’t there to feel it. To comment on abstracts like root, power etc. is foolhardy.
Is it my best stuff, no, not by a long shot. MY critique of my younger self would be more along the lines of youthful laziness. Not keeping a tighter guard, be even more aggressive.
Lets get a few of the more blatantly obvious things out of the way.
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The video in question is a highlight reel of many different rounds. With different people, different gear options and power levels at play.
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To say there was “no” this or that is a clumsy opinion. It may be different to what you think is good fighting, but it was there. Angles, a plenty. Footwork was very mobile. We don’t plod along.
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The notion that one must perch themselves and hold a hanging horse to do a round kick as the “kung fu manner” is laughable.
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To state that other arts have a strategy too is not an argument.
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Repeating what I say and trying to sound like its something different is silly. Figure that one out.
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“I’ve posted where I have trained in a couple threads now even though its irrelevant because my take on things are different than my sifus and I am not hesitant to say that.”
Because you know so much better than them. :rolleyes:
- You can’t see my style because you don’t know my style. Perhaps if you saw it in slo mo you’d see it more.
No I’m going to drag you around for a while. Some things are so blatantly obvious that it seems comical to try and explain then to you.
You aren’t dragging me anywhere. I’m still standing here waiting for you to get over yourself.
Like I told soco, you weren’t there to feel it. To comment on abstracts like root, power etc. is foolhardy.
They why bring it up to begin with? And its not like its impossible. As I said, Sevenstar made a nice post about how that same stuff is applied in Western boxing. I’ve been hit by iron palm guys before. I’ve been hit by pressure point guys before (well in all honesty I was standing there letting them try it), I’ve been hit by boxers before, karate guy, a taichi guy, ect. In most cases getting punched in the kisser feels just like that, getting punched in the kisser. Now there are sometimes that you get hit and are like WTF? Like the iron palm guy (it felt like his hand went all the way through my chest and the muscles in my back cramped up.) If you tried to explain a little you might be surprised some here might understand what you mean.
Is it my best stuff, no, not by a long shot. MY critique of my younger self would be more along the lines of youthful laziness. Not keeping a tighter guard, be even more aggressive.
The only people here thinking it was were the flamers. No body is saying that you 17 years ago are going to be what you are now. The issue isn’t whether or not you are skilled now (or even then). The issue was whether or not the clip you posted was of anything other than what could be done with found in another art. And I just don’t think that is the case. Like NITF already stated, I don’t want to offend but its generic sparring.
Lets get a few of the more blatantly obvious things out of the way.
- The video in question is a highlight reel of many different rounds. With different people, different gear options and power levels at play.
This is irrelevant to the original topic of the thread. With the exception of gear, as I will give you that a lot of techniques are hard enough to do with bare hands let alone trying to grab at crap with gloves on.
- To say there was “no” this or that is a clumsy opinion. It may be different to what you think is good fighting, but it was there. Angles, a plenty. Footwork was very mobile. We don’t plod along.
What any of us think is good fighting is irrelevant. What is at issue is whether what was displayed was unique to kung fu and going back to the other thread which this spawned from…could be extrapolated and trained to the benefit of a MMA fighter. These skills presented in this clip are things which they already train.
- The notion that one must perch themselves and hold a hanging horse to do a round kick as the “kung fu manner” is laughable.
You’re right “perching” is laughable. But there is a mechanic involved in executing technique. Like I said, I’m just repeating the same crap that 90 of the people say. Forms are for solo training to get your most perfectly refined technique in the most perfect situation. That is what they all say right? And hey its not my fault that all the kicks in the forms that people are posting happen to go through a certain frame work; I didn’t make em. I’m just using the “kung fu guy” argument. Why it is, I don’t care I don’t kick that way. I was informed once in a KF discussion it was more deceptive to hide the angle of the kick until after the knee is raised. In some cases it might be, but I think you’re just asking to get jammed and taken down.
- To state that other arts have a strategy too is not an argument.
I don’t remember arguing about that. What was said was that kung fu as an art must have certain strategic and/or technical differences than another art, or “average kickboxing” as was coined earlier in the thread. This concept, which you have to agree is true otherwise you could not post "In only a few ways is the body positioning, footwork, execution, and continuing strategy “just like average kickboxing.” A concept which I agree is with certain elements to be true. However I disagree that those defining elements are found within the clip you posted. I feel that the clip you posted I could find the same things in 1 of the 9 million other vids on youtube from karate, tkd, mt whatever…
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Repeating what I say and trying to sound like its something different is silly. Figure that one out.
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“I’ve posted where I have trained in a couple threads now even though its irrelevant because my take on things are different than my sifus and I am not hesitant to say that.”
Because you know so much better than them.
“Repeating what I say and trying to sound like its something different is silly. Figure that one out.” I have different experiences than them. Do they have more experience in kung fu than me? Yes. I never said otherwise. But they grew up in a different time, a different place and lived around different people. My first sifu has reach that I’ll never have. The guy is just tall. Things that he does I can’t do. My current sifu has like 70 lbs on me. He’s a tree, and I wouldn’t expect any less from a hung gar fighter. There are things he can do that I can’t dream of pulling off. I can’t try to out muscle the people he can. So yes, my take on fighting is different than them. And I only follow the advice that was given me, to question everything they teach and when I think I figure it out question it again.
- You can’t see my style because you don’t know my style. Perhaps if you saw it in slo mo you’d see it more.
This could very well be correct. Which is why I asked you to comment of such things to begin with. However while there are stylistic aspects to certain kung fu that are not found universally; the basic mechanics are often quite similar if not the same (and I think that extends to various arts as well.) Like you said, there are only so many ways a body can move.
You can sit there and laugh to yourself all you want. Nothing you have said has yet to change anything.
I hate to sound like knifefighter but. #2 is play fighting. There is NO contact at all. Maybe a few knockdowns that were gentle. I could play like that all day. Its cute that they did all these techniques, But without consequence. This is where the kung fu movie mentality steps in.
Like NITF I will agree here. But everyone has to start somewhere. Its still better than most schools. I think they are doing well for a group that is moving from arranged drills to free sparring. I’d like to see a clip of free sparring in a couple years to know how it turns out. I personally don’t put this one over your clip. I think they are 2 different things. Both have areas that need cleaning up (and I’m just going to assume that in the past 17 years you have done a lot of that.)
My opinion still stands though. Anyways off to work now. Thanks for the discussion 
What discussion? All you’ve basically said is “i can’t see it.”
Like I told soco, you weren’t there to feel it.
I doubt the person you were kicking felt it either:):rolleyes:
The notion that one must perch themselves and hold a hanging horse to do a round kick as the “kung fu manner” is laughable.
No you must be in lady horse while holding a pot between your knees
[QUOTE=Notintheface;776482]I doubt the person you were kicking felt it either:):rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Your doubts are irrelevant.
and you fight like a girl 
oh wait that is an insult to girls :eek:
[QUOTE=Notintheface;776060]1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lpRkNCPwYo&watch_response
2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-7USCZWR4&mode=related&search=
3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8YZB5hta6A
I won’t add my comments because I already made my feelings known.
But I would love to hear the communities opinion
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~Back on topic… Well, none of the videos linked represented my interpretation of kungfu. Oh well.
O.k., I am gonna dare and ask this…What is your interpretation of kungfu?
…well.
I don’t regard the pseudo-gladiatorial perspective of MMAs as gungfu. Nor do I have much respect for the gymnastic-fu so prevalent in Shaolin temple demos. While I won’t claim rank in any style, and even regard it as laughable in most instances, my own perspective is based on a lifestyle.
~ The video links posted, IMO, were of people poorly trained, and by instructors with little grasp on the extremes to which personal conflict can go. Training with military types, and law enforcement helps, but still falls short of the “Temple” mystique. Which, further more, IMO, can be attained to. Realism, trumps ALL. Fantasy is a no-no.
People who train like monks in CLOSED temples, or hermits in caves, more represent my “idea” of gongfu. Nope, my perspective does not cater to convenance, or commercialization, but I’m just some random person in cyberspace. So, what does it matter?
Cheers!
People who train like monks in CLOSED temples, or hermits in caves, more represent my “idea” of gongfu*
Once you said this you lost go train in your cave:rolleyes:
Which, further more, IMO, can be attained to. Realism, trumps ALL. Fantasy is a no-no
This can not be attained unless you get punched in the face :rolleyes: and actually learn how to dodge.
[QUOTE=Golden Spider;776968:]People who train like monks in CLOSED temples, or hermits in caves, more represent my “idea” of gongfu. [/quote]Pwfffzzzggbwbwzzbwwwwwwuhaaaahahahaha (sp?)
Nope, my perspective does not cater to convenance, or commercialization,
Or sanity, or realism, or intellectual honesty, or adults, or ideas of useful training, or regard for safety and thus life…
I think I’ll quit while you’re behind.
but I’m just some random person in cyberspace. So, what does it matter?
Cheers!
True! It matters not a jot!
You’re not the Messiah, you’re a very silly boy.