[QUOTE=Mr Punch;776105]BTW, didn’t Notintheface already put his name up once?
Mat Hill,
Tokyo.
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Really? where? missed that completely.
Mat Hill, Tokyo. Is that where you are now, Matt?
um, hasn’t Mat been in tokyo for a while now???
NITF: define ‘kung fu’ first. 
Over seven and a half years.
well, a bit longer than I’ve been visiting here but I had always associated you w/ residing there. 
still pizzed that I didn’t pick up on who Mr. Punch was…I knew I recognized the style but, well, I’m a bear of little brain. 
I cocked it up.[QUOTE=Mr Punch;776102]The second one was OK as far as it went, but they seemed to need the padding less than the first bunch, and they really needed an injection of pace and challenge from someone outside of their style (say a six-month boxer, Thai or BJJer if they were up for teh gr4ppl3! … my Grandma would’ve done, but unfortunately she’s no longer with us).[/quote]That was the third one NITF linked, which since turns out to be Abel. It was quite pants really, looking at it again. Absolutely no rooting - and for those who are going to come out with the ‘real fighting doesn’t look like kung fu’ **** I’m not necessarily talking about kung fu style ‘Jack and the Beanstalk rooting’ (i.e. takes a long time, is superstrong, impossible to uproot though you can cut it down easily, and is total ****ing fantasy…?! :eek: 
) but boxers, Thai boxers, even TKDers have better rooting than that vid… so the strikes looked seriously slappy crap. No offence at all to you Abel, I appreciate that this was 17 years ago, and I’m in no way denigrating your ability at all.
The third bloke had a great line in devastating soft furnishings. Perfect against the Spanish Inquisition. And Nobody Expects The Spanish Inquisition. Hard to tell what he is like against a humanoid though.
That was the Dave Lacey clip.
The second clip from NITF was OK. But again, they need to practice against other styles… it didn’t look like anyone was particularly out of their comfort zone.
Coffee. Wisdom tooth extraction. No training. Pffzz.
[QUOTE=Oso;776130]well, a bit longer than I’ve been visiting here but I had always associated you w/ residing there. :)[/quote]I found this place in a boring moment in a net cafe in Tokyo. It’s all part of the living in the Big Mikan metropolis fantasy - none of you actually exist outside the anime playing in my head. Except Knifefighter. Which is scary. GET THE **** OUT OF HERE! :eek:
Oh yeah, then I woke up married to a cute lil wife with a cute lil baby… and you malcontents and miscreants are still out there somewhere: truth can be uglier than fiction!
Oh well, at least I have wing chun and aikido with which I can slip back into fantasy, where felons attack with one lunge of a wooden knife…
still pizzed that I didn’t pick up on who Mr. Punch was…I knew I recognized the style but, well, I’m a bear of little brain.
Didn’t know I had a style… Rumbled!
puhleeze, the biggest fakey out there now is that mma fighters don’t exhibit style like supposed kung fu fighters are supposed to.
of course we here 'uns all have a recognizable style.
huh, so married and children in Tokyo…you’re a lifer then?
The second clip from NITF was OK. But again, they need to practice against other styles… it didn’t look like anyone was particularly out of their comfort zone.
getting out of that comfort zone is essential.
sparring/fighting is completely contextual. that’s something the NHB naysayers can’t unwind their panties about…UFC, IFL, Pride…whatever has no written distinction regarding style. Just specific places you can’t hit…with good reason. If your entire style/system revolves around eye gouges and groin strikes then you best just stay within your red and gold walled temples and just sftu.
this might sound like a ‘look at me, look at me’ but getting other styles into my school for my students, and me, to spar with has been right up front for a while now. I got the crap kicked out of my leg and foot last week because we had some muay thai folks in. 2 weeks before that a 300# jujitsu buddy of mine came in and sparred with us. next weekend the kempo/thai guys will be back.
ok, rant off…g’night Gracie.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;776105]BTW, didn’t Notintheface already put his name up once? What do you want
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Link please. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;776133]but boxers, Thai boxers, even TKDers have better rooting than that vid… so the strikes looked seriously slappy crap. No offence at all to you Abel, I appreciate that this was 17 years ago, and I’m in no way denigrating your ability at all. [/QUOTE]
I’m sorry I wasn’t clod footed enough for you. :rolleyes:
Quid pro quo.
I’d like to see something of yours to compare it to. Just to see where you are coming from.
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;776196]I’m sorry I wasn’t clod footed enough for you. :rolleyes: [/quote]As I intimated in my post, I wasn’t meaning that TCMA WC-y flat-footed stomp, but a boxer’s root or any kind of root would do.
I can’t see where you’re rooting in that clip. Like I said, I wasn’t slagging your style off: I just don’t understand the mechanics of what you’re doing so it looks like puny unrooted *****-slapping and sloppy kicks that leacve the kicker off-balance.
Quid pro quo.
Clarice?
I’d like to see something of yours to compare it to. Just to see where you are coming from.
Shame and no surprise Hannibal, but I don’t have anything on digital. I move like a boxer footwork wise, but don’t bounce half as much. When it comes to the strikes/kicks my rooting is a little different to a boxer’s too of course, but I aim to attain the same quick-changed feeling of floating-rooting-floating.
NITF: define ‘kung fu’ first
That is what I have been trying to do sheeesssshhhh… But Sifuunable keeps getting chocolate in my peanut butter
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;776201]As I intimated in my post, I wasn’t meaning that TCMA WC-y flat-footed stomp, but a boxer’s root or any kind of root would do.
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Abstract things like root or power being dealt cannot really be seen fully by watching a video. One can only gauge it by the effects on the opponent. Just because you can’t see a connection doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. If by boxers root you mean just standing there…:rolleyes:
If I remember the original posts that this argument came from it was that people were talking about what is that TCMA has that is unique and could benefit MMA fighters am I right? And then yadda yadda yadda a few days later Sifu Abel posts his link and says it has things that are unique, Am I right? Basically everybody is of the opinion that there was nothing unique about it and it looked like basic kickboxing, Am I right? Then Sifu Abel got PO’d, Am I right still?
And here we are now. And still, there is nothing in the clip unique to kung fu. It was just punching and kicking. And wasn’t there a comment that what made it unique was what was behind the punches and kicks? But I can’t say I personally saw anything that would lead me to think that. I’m not trying to be a di(k I really don’t see it. The kicks weren’t even set up in a “Kung Fu” manner. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing…but…that’s not the topic. I mean, millions of kung fu schools worldwide don’t just practices their Golden Chicken/Hanging Horse/Dog Lifts its Leg to Pee on Your Shoes/whatever you call it stance for nothing…or do they? And yes, as a pre-emptive. Everyone knows that in actual use no one moves like in the forms (man I can’t believe I’m about to use forms as a gage of kung fu) and that every one stream lines their moves to be faster (bare with me now). BUT then saying that just shows the point. There is no kung fu “uniqueness” in the manner the techs were delivered. The little trip thingy was neat though.
I enjoyed that Underground Kung Fu vid. Thanks to whoever found that originally as I don’t remember.
[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;776268]I’m not trying to be a di(k … The kicks weren’t even set up in a “Kung Fu” manner. [/QUOTE]
I needed a good laugh today. "In a kung fu manner. " LOL!! ROFL!!
In only a few ways is the body positioning, footwork, execution, and continuing strategy “just like average kickboxing” . That is what I meant by “whats behind”. Its not just two guys standing there trading blows until someone goes down. And its definitely not two guys trying to do form specific movements.
[QUOTE=Notintheface;776241]That is what I have been trying to do sheeesssshhhh… But Sifuunable keeps getting chocolate in my peanut butter[/QUOTE]
Thats not chocolate. 
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;776274]I needed a good laugh today. "In a kung fu manner. " LOL!! ROFL!!
I’m glad you think its funny, I’m working on my stand up comedic routine. That being said, if you can’t tell me the difference between a “text book” KF roundkick and a “text book” MT kick for example, then this is going to be a boring argument.
In only a few ways is the body positioning, footwork, execution, and continuing strategy “just like average kickboxing” .
You’re right. An average kickboxer would have set up their attacks much more effectively. I didn’t see any use of body positioning in the least. No closing the center line (nor opening for that matter), no working the angles, inefficiency in working the center. Footwork? What footwork? One guy always ran forward while the other kept retreating. The only examples of trying to use footwork was the guy that attempt to trap a retreat by hooking with 7 star stance and the lil’ sweep thingy. You know what you, I’ll even give you that one. Its hard to use any special footwork when all your opponent is doing is running backward. Execution? Dude it was straight punch after straight punch. Continuing Strat? Again, straight punch anyone? Oh yeah, I guess there was a couple back kicks and a way off spinning backfist, but at least they tried.
That is what I meant by “whats behind”. Its not just two guys standing there trading blows until someone goes down.
That’s exactly what it looks like to me.
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In turn I think its funny that you think my post is funny. Kung fu is like any other art in that there actually is a strategy to the way it employs its techniques. As to my kicks comment. Ok, then. I’ve seen all you guys post over the years and you all like to use the argument that forms are a tool to train your moves in the most perfectly precise motion in the most perfect situation in the most perfectly perfect world. You tell me why when I see a form on youtube 90% of all the kicks are motioning through a certain posture with various inclusions of hand work (which while may differ from style to style general are used to accomplish a similar effect.)
Hey look I’m just using the logic that most of the people here use.
So you are telling me there is no difference between kung fu methodology and another art? What exactly was your argument then in the beginning?
Abstract things like root or power being dealt cannot really be seen fully by watching a video. One can only gauge it by the effects on the opponent.
There wasn’t anything unusual about the effects. You punched him in the head and he walked backwards. What’s so abstract about that?
Anyways I think its pretty evident between the various clips what the difference is.
[QUOTE=banditshaw;776079]This represents the Choy Li Fut side of things…sparring starts at 2:50.
Also they have other clips on youtube with some fighting as well.
These guys are fierce.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NmfgLD0Vw-I[/QUOTE]
Sweet! The bit of form that starts @ 28 seconds looks spooky similar to one I know as Dragon Bite.
Somebody needs to cut out the kung fu movies. Who is you teacher, boy?
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There wasn’t anything unusual about the effects. You punched him in the head and he walked backwards. What’s so abstract about that?
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LOL!! ROFL!! You’re an idiot!!! LOL!! And don’t even know why!!! LOL!!!
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;776309]Somebody needs to cut out the kung fu movies. Who is you teacher, boy?
OMG Did I not just mention this concept? Did I not just say that in application NOTHING looks like in a form? So tell me, if everyone stream lines their techniques for actual fighting (KF, MT, MMA whatever) how is your clip ANY DIFFERENT AT ALL to any other art? Dude I said the same thing you said. Its the methodology behind the approach that can vary. But you tell me WHERE is there any of that methodology in your clip if its and I quote "In only a few ways is the body positioning, footwork, execution, and continuing strategy “just like average kickboxing.”[/QUOTE]
Anyways, I’m glad you’ve finally come to terms with the advice people here have been trying to give you over the years. I’ve posted where I have trained in a couple threads now even though its irrelevant because my take on things are different than my sifus and I am not hesitant to say that.
Boy? I ain’t your boy and don’t expect any respect from me if you don’t give it in kind. And..you might want to watch were you sling that, in some areas that can be considered racially disparaging.
I guess its easy to just sideskirt a technically based argument with insults. But then that would be the way things go here wouldn’t it? I don’t know what your deal is because I have never before even posted to you let alone insulted you. Get your panties out of a knot and play nice okay there cupcake.