[QUOTE=ammocase;757251]You really cant, hence the word “real”.. but i have seen self defense training such as full geared students squaring off multiple oponents or armed oponents, doesnt look pretty an flashy but id rather do this form of training then one on one mma with rules set in.
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It takes a good amount of quality experience in fighting to have a sufficient basis to make intelligent informed conclusions about fighting, what it involves, how to train effectively, etc. Most people simply don’t have much in the way of experience, whether newbies to martial arts or the TMA masters and grandmasters (how can they know if they don’t fight?) – the theoretical nonfighters of the world. So with their very limited grasp of fighting they make assumptions of what they believe fighting entails, what they believe will work, how they believe they should train, etc.
What you’d rather do is irrelevant; if your concern in actually developing realistic fighting skills that will work in any realistic environment, from ring to street, then you should take the time to listen to what proven fighters, people who have proved they developed those skills themselves, and proven fight trainers, people who have a proven record of traiing good fighters, have to say.
BTW, the “rules” of some contest do not have anything to do with the skill of the contestents – you can change the rules of tennis or basketball or a fighting situation, and the player/fighters will simply adjust their games. Changing the rules won’t make a bad athlete suddenly good.
So the answer is very simple, training for the REAL WORLD with no rules would give you a better ground for self defense.
First, it is silly to train martial arts simply for self-defense – to spend years of hard, continuous training just to be able to handle yourself when most intelligent people can avoid getting into those situations their entire lives is a huge waste of time and effort. And in most situations you’d be better off with a PPD anyway. Don’t take up wrestling for self defense – take it up because you want to wrestle.
Second, the truth of the matter is that rules or no rules has nothing whatsoever to do with developing skills. We develop fighting skills by fighting; we don’t develop fighting skills by not fighting. So if you can’t practice something for real in fighting, you can’t develop it to any significant degree.
An im not a kung fu fanboy, been in wing chun for 5 days only but i kickboxed for many years an i also trained in vee arnis jujitsu an cross trained in BJJ an shootfighting. An theres a world difference in just the mind set of sport an self defense.
Of course. And the tactics you will use may be different too. But the skills that work in fighting will work regardless of the “venue.” It’s not the case that you won’t have skills in the ring but when you step into the street you suddenly will have good abilities. You either have fighting skills or you don’t.
If i get attacked… im eye gouging groin kicking.. stomping his head in when hes on the ground, just like i train day in an day out which is the equal to the day in an day out of ufc fighters fighting within rules on a one on one basis in their gyms, im not rushing in double legs an shifting into position an looking for a ref when the guy tries to claw my eyes out.
It would do you some good to visit a good MMA gym – tell them your theories about fighting and then ask to have a go, using your “deadly” stuff. I’m sure they’ll oblige you. And you’ll see for yourself how so many of your assumptions are wrong. No one will be able to convince you of this through discussion or argument; only personal experience with reality (and not theory) will change your mind.
And let me address the issue of “the broken record” –
Some people may think that my and KF’s perspective is a “broken record”, and I agree that we do repeat our perspective in various threads where certain issues arise. But, what has become the traditional viewpoint is in my view a much more pervasive “broken record” that gets repeated endlessly by just about everyone. So much so that it has become the default view. That’s all I overwhelmingly hear: the same old tired, traditional, theoretical, nonsensical sh1t. Just with variations on the same themes. And that’s what continues to be “taught” to the vast majority of WCK students. So I agree with you – I get tired of the “broken record” too, hearing the same things repeated endlessly (I’ve been online discussing WCK since '97, first on the WCML). All I am offering is a different perspective.
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Either way, you’ll be deluged with readers, won’t you?