There are no WC fighters.
No WC guy has won a match in:
K-1
Rings
Pancrase
Pride
UFC
or ANY NHB event.
Wing Chun is irrelevant in modern fighting. All these schools can point to is a bunch of guys in the 50’s whipping on other guys in the 50’s, in Hong Kong.
So, instead this board focuses on tearing each other down, rather than figuring out WHY no one trains Wing Chun to win in the professional circuits. That’s right. Wing Chung people always assert…“Oh we couldn’t use our art int he
UFC 'cause it’s tooooo deadly. We train eye gouges, punching the throat, and all
sorts of deadly techniques from the TOP SECRET Bil-gee form. The Rules prohibit use
from fight there.”
Wing Chun people are dilusional. They’ve been brain washed into thinking their “Superior technique”
will overcome the stronger more aggressive opponent. They just use this as an excuse
for not training hard and aggressively.
Wow i would of never knew the WC community had such animosity and traits, i have only been training at my WC gym for a few months now but i would of never knew other WC gyms were any different. Seeing as how at my gym we train very hard sweat buckets, pad work, sparring ,partner drills etc. Still a new gym just a few months old since Feb, but the gym is getting more and more people coming in. Its to bad to hear that WC has alot of infighting towards each other. As for WC fighters my gym is active in tournament and san shou competition and my teacher promotes competition and i belive he is looking into starting his own events in the future.
I believe there is someone on this board who was posting about new martial boxing system in australia. It combines muay thai, boxing, wing chun with groundwork and they apparently had been having success in MMA events. It makes sense, wing chun would be good for clinch range/near clinch range. But many times a good muay thai fighter will stay out of our ideal fighting range where out punches are much less effective. Therefore you’d need to train in a longer distance punching system, as we can’t just charge in and go for throat or eyes in MMA…
We have a pact at my kung-fu school. If I see Frank Shamrock or similar in the bar and accidentally bump into him, I’m going to buy him a beer.
I don’t train 8 hours a day for a profession. I train in Wing Chun for a few hours a week. Why? To maximize my chances of a confrontation.
I’m not dilusional. If I’m faced with a large MMA champion, I’m going to still use the Wing Chun that I’ve learned…I’m going to talk my way out of a confrontation because I’m better than the fight itself. And if sh!t goes down…well…hopefully I’ll have enough in my arsenal to get myself to safety. Not crush the guy…I said safety.
Honestly, I think beer is the best self-defense tool us Canadians have!!!
Troll or no, he does pose a very valid question. One that I know keeps many from studying wing chun. I’ve seen two fighters in MMA events, both lost badly on the ground, and didn’t even show anything remotely impressive standing up. The excuse that wing chun is not a competition art is bs. Not fighting is a new thing for all martial arts. In china, in the past, challenge matches were a regular occurance, and a necessity to proving your worth as a martial artist and/or a teacher. I feel wing chun would benefit tremendously from a representative in MMA, and without it, I doubt it will continue to grow much, as there is no proof of it’s effectiveness in a real fight. The bs about it “being to deadly” just doesn’t make any sense. Everyone can gouge eyes, kick to the groin, and strike the throat. If it’s truely effective, it should be able to be used in the ring.
If it’s truely effective, it should be able to be used in the ring.
I think you may have answered your own doubt?!?!?!?! Ask yourself why there are rules against this type of thing. Why can’t you use small joint manipulation and eye gouges if they don’t work? Seems to me, if they are such crap and not effective they should be allowed.
I never said they don’t work. The reason you can’t use them is because of obvious reasons. Fighters would run the risk of being blinded, and small joint manipulation can result in permanenant injury to the fingers, easily. My point, was that these are techniques that do NOT have to be trained to be used. Two fighters of equal skill level could employ them just as easily, no matter with they practiced boxing, wing chun, or even taekowndo. It in no way makes an martial art “effective”. And anyway, san shou competitions allow eye gouges, and groin shots. Not sure about small joint manipulation. But these are still not techniques that are relied upon in these competitions. Because they are in no way fool proof. Anyone who claims these are the reasons wing chun does not work in a competitive setting are just perpetuating the belief that kung fu and TMAs in general are just making up excuses.
Now, I am not disputing the effectiveness of wing chun, but I ask this question purely out of curiosity. Is this based on your personal experiences, ie. fights that you have been in? And if so, were these fights with someone who had trained in other fighting systems as much as you have/had trained in wing chun? Personal faith can go a long way. I even believe in the proper circumstances it can make the differance. And don’t tell me every single wing chun practioner has simply decided they do not wish to become a pro fighter. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Not blind, first post was just clarifying my argument. Second one I was just asking a question about the blind faith many have in TMAs. That is all. Perhaps if more wing chun practitioners are motivated to compete, the whole system as a whole will benefit.
I’m stoked that there are people doing amatuer fights and doing well, but the fact that a wing chun guy aint won a ufc doesnt mean a thing bad about wing chun. For every thousands of thai or bjj fighters out there very very few make it to ufc. So few wing chun people tournment fight at all so it makes sense there havent been any ufc winners yet.
It puzzles me that the WC community is NOT interested in those events…WC is (supposedly) a fighting art, so why shouldn’t it’s adherants be interested in what some of the best fighters on the planet are doing when they mix it up?
Hi Lawrence, some people want to fight professionally. Those people have to devote lots of time training. Unless you’re well off you’ll need a sponsor of some sort. If the average working Joe fights and gets hurt how will he take care of bills? So people who say the any martial art needs to be in the UFC/NBH, etc., have to take that into consideration. I do agree with you that some sort of training against a resisting opponent should be done so as not to have a false sense of security. What I’ve done with my students is them have them buy protective gear. That way they can go all out in safety and at least get an idea of how to deal with punches and how to issue power under pressure. I have to add that street fights don’t always depend on skill. Anything can happen.
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