[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1203256]XingYi master (Liu Er Biao Zi) created one short form for his own practicing. Since the form was too short, he repeated the sequence twice to make it longer. He taught to my teacher as personal training tool but my teacher passed it down anyway. It’s called Xing Jin Quan.
Liu Weixiang (1864-1936), people of hejian, Hebei Province House. At the age of 8 from Liu Xiaolan learned bajiquan, 14 years old from the famous Boxing Boxing Guo Yun deep acquisition, and later teacher Song Shirong, Bai Xiyuan two pointing. After many years of hard study, the Panel was superb. Valor Good Fight, good practice the martial arts, people are “Liu Erbiao”. Representatives of modern boxing art experiment one. Horse Hall of martial arts teacher[/QUOTE]
I don’t know much about xingyi but I think having any fixed forms in xinyi is unnecessary because the moves were designed to flexibly change into other moves and people can design their own forms easily. Of course there are some general rules for designing a form but it’s not rocket science.
[QUOTE=bawang;1203609]combat training must always be non compliant[/QUOTE]
If your opponent just sits on the ground and refuses to stand on his feet, there is no way that you can use him to develop your hip throw. What good is your training partner if he can’t help you to develop your technique?
The word compliant and non-compliant are misleading. When you attack, your opponent’s non-compliant could mean:
escape out of,
resist against it,
yield into it,
never give you an opportunity.
If you can run faster than your opponent, even the best striker in the world won’t be able to hit you. Is that non-compliant?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1203611]If your opponent just sits on the ground and refuses to stand on his feet, there is no way that you can use him to develop your hip throw. [/QUOTE]
then i crush him under my heel. like jesus christ crush satan.
[QUOTE=bawang;1203609]combat training must always be non compliant[/QUOTE]
I think you need a compliant partner to learn the technique. Then you need a non compliant partner to test it on. Some things you just can’t develop in the heat of sparring…at least not well, you need to get the technique down and refine it. Then you can work it with non-compliance.
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1203627]I think you need a compliant partner to learn the technique. Then you need a non compliant partner to test it on. Some things you just can’t develop in the heat of sparring…at least not well, you need to get the technique down and refine it. Then you can work it with non-compliance.[/QUOTE]
non compliance creates magical thinking and will turn your ass into a soccer ball
[QUOTE=bawang;1203639]boxing wrestling and mma[/QUOTE]
Nope. If you’ve ever trained in those you’d know that all of them depend on both compliant and non-compliant drills. If you say that combat training requires non-compliance, then you are correct, but both kinds of drills are utilized.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1203644]In training, what should your opponent react in a realistic manner when you apply a hip throw on him?[/QUOTE]
try not to get thrown
[QUOTE=pazman;1203642]Nope. If you’ve ever trained in those you’d know that all of them depend on both compliant and non-compliant drills. If you say that combat training requires non-compliance, then you are correct, but both kinds of drills are utilized.[/QUOTE]
if you try using unrealistic kung fu techniques and get ur ass brutally kicked, you would understand where i am coming from. you sound like your ass is still tender virgin.
I consider these compliant in that the receiving partner doesn’t try to resist or try to make the the other player “lose”. These are also required drills in learning the technique.
Non-compliant training would be either “mini-games” meant to isolate the technique or skill in question, or sparring. In this case, partners offer up resistance and try to “win” the situation.
if you try using unrealistic kung fu techniques and get ur ass brutally kicked, you would understand where i am coming from. you sound like your ass is still tender virgin.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you are bitter about receiving bad instruction. Go learn some boxing. Wear pajamas and call it taiji. Sounds like your problems would be solved.
[QUOTE=pazman;1203648]Sounds like you are bitter about receiving bad instruction. Go learn some boxing. Wear pajamas and call it taiji. Sounds like your problems would be solved.[/QUOTE]
when discussing we must know what is the context and the appropriateness.
it would be appropriate for mma forum to discuss compliance training because it might benefit them. this is a kung fu forum. almost all modern kung fu training is compliance training.so our attitude toward compiance training should not be positive.
the spirit of this discussion has not been about the merits of compliance training for combat. it has been used as an excuse to not train realistically and to justify the compliance training in kung fu.
in modern martial arts compliance partner drills is an accessory exercise. in kung fu it is usually the sole partner exercise. compliant drills is good for judo, its not good for kung fu.
