[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1199361]If you use the “form approach”, does your form have:
- side kick?
- downward block (almost all forms has this)?
- side kick, spin back fist combo and side kick, palm chop combo?
Some style doesn’t even have side kick. What if your form doesn’t have side kick, spin back fist combo or side kick, palm chop combo? What if both combos exist in different forms? What will be the chance that you will learn all those by using “form approach”?
By using “form approach”, you may not be able tp learn a technique completely (technique, counter, counter to counters).[/QUOTE]
Mantis has forms, and I am not a forms focused person.
But if you are going to study forms, you can’t be so literal. There are infinite number of technques and combos. And what about strategies in how to use them? And what about the underlying principles?
So your form doesn’t specifically show side kick and spin backfist. Does your form show the principle of turning to use a backfist or other attack? Does it show using it as a followup move?
Well, you might say that it is followup in a combination attack, and not from using the opponent’s countering force to power your backfist.
Whether you attack and change to rebound off your attacking force or borrow the other person’s force to turn, it is still sensitivity in reacting to the connection. It’s all relative and it doesn’t matter who is moving towards the other guy.
Or you might say that the form shows a turn, but not from a side kick.
Does your form show the turn from any type of side attack at all? How about after a horse punch? If your form showed a counter to straight punch to the face, would you get confused if the person attacked with straight palm to the face instead?
If your teacher showed you right hip throw, and you never figured out left hip throw, he would yell at you.
There is turning followup attack after your favorite move in Gung Lik Kuen, the beginner’s form. After jump in smash to the leg, there is turn, grab, step, and forearm smash. Or if you like the turn, grab, step, hit can be turn and throw.
If you want turning backfist specifically, the 2 person Bung Bo has it as a counter to the wrist break that is shown in the single person form.
It is not against counter to side kick, but once you learn to turn and smash down with backfist, are you going to do it only against wristlock or wrist break? Or are you going to extrapolate?
If the form shows backfist and you are really close to the other guy would you stop yourself from using elbow to the head? Same turning sinking force. Same body mechanics.
If you have right grab, left punch to the face, right horse punch, would you ever do right grab left feint to the face, right kao da?
Would you say it is too far to kao da because that part of the form shows only a small step with the horse punch?
Were there other parts of the form where it showed a sliding in sinking shifting step? You would not look for places to apply that principle for making up distance?
There’s a difference between learning forms and studying forms.
Forms show the style or system, but forms are not the style.
Even in boxing, there are different styles even though there are no forms.
