And that is why so many styles got away with not having any concept of a ground game and very simple standing grappling. Sometimes you get stuck in your bubble and it can be a serious reality check when venturing outside your comfort zone. I just hope people figure it out by expanding their minds, not being forced into a situation they aren’t equipped for. UFC 1 is a perfect example when talking empty hand. Grapplers that could take a punch reigned supreme for a long time. It wasn’t until strikers learned defensive wrestling that the reign ended.
What is the 7 star technique where you deflect the arm inwards and charge in with your shoulder to the short ribs?
[QUOTE=Syn7;1198377]What is the 7 star technique where you deflect the arm inwards and charge in with your shoulder to the short ribs?[/QUOTE]
When you apply “shoulder strike”, you have to make sure that none of your opponent’s arms will be in your shoulder striking path. To achieve that, you can use “right down and left up separate hands”. Your left hand push your opponent’s right arm up, your right hand push his left arm down, you then slide in and strike your right shoulder at your opponent’s chest.
Do you run him over and take position for ground control or do you let him go flying?
[QUOTE=Syn7;1198386]Do you run him over and take position for ground control or do you let him go flying?[/QUOTE]
To push your opponent away is never a good idea. It’s better to keep friend close but to keep enemy closer. A good enemy is a pass out (or dead) enemy below your knee. The shoulder strike by itself is not sufficient enough to take your opponent down. But it helps you to knock your opponent’s leading leg off the ground. If you can obtain your opponent’s leading leg and hook his back leg at the same time, your opponent will have no leg to stand but fall. You can also use shoulder strike to set up your hip throw since your leading arm is near your opponent’s waist area.
What is the 7 star technique where you deflect the arm inwards and charge in with your shoulder to the short ribs?
I teach 8 step , not 7 star so little different in translation but its simple sidee blcok mantis deflection and then ba duan with any part of the body moving and making the body move as one this is jing and can knock them on thier arsed simply.
thsi can be found in any martial art, as ykw sadi its what you do after that matters. i.e kick when hes falling, use your knee, hook hi ankle achilies tendon, lift leg,m run call the cops these are all your choices
You gotta vid so I can tell if we are talking bout the same thing? I saw it a long time ago and I’m going off an old memory. I have done things similar in other styles, but they were a bit different than what I’m thinking of. The ones I learned didn’t use the shoulder striking but still drove in under the same principles. Leg sweep, hip toss, hook up and turn the corner for a double even. It’s the strike that interests me, not the takedown.
It may have been 8 step. It’s been awhile.
Here is one kind of “shoulder strike”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEmfFWoZPvg
If you hook your opponent’s back leg, you can take him down.
[QUOTE=Syn7;1198386]Do you run him over and take position for ground control or do you let him go flying?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1198400]The shoulder strike by itself is not sufficient enough to take your opponent down. But it helps you to knock your opponent’s leading leg off the ground. If you can obtain your opponent’s leading leg and hook his back leg at the same time, your opponent will have no leg to stand but fall.[/QUOTE]
Shoulder strike is handy to use when the opponent tries to clinch or grapple and he thinks he is not exposed to strikes at that close range.
It can break his attempt at control and allow you to use follow up strikes, stand up grappling, or takedowns.
Or you can use it as you close in to stun him and follow up.
If you train enough, you actually can knock down a person. But don’t follow him down. Just kick him in the face.
Syn7 You gotta vid so I can tell if we are talking bout the same thing? I saw it a long time ago and I’m going off an old memory. I have done things similar in other styles, but they were a bit different than what I’m thinking of. The ones I learned didn’t use the shoulder striking but still drove in under the same principles. Leg sweep, hip toss, hook up and turn the corner for a double even. It’s the strike that interests me, not the takedown.
It may have been 8 step. It’s been awhile.
I have hours on my youbtube channel but cant remember in which of the hours LOL.
I understand what you are asking no worries. the body movemnt is its Ba duan, and you use a simple gou li ti to side block opp punch redirect then move past his center with jing, then use body, head, or shoulder like YKW video demoed
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1198410]Here is one kind of “shoulder strike”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEmfFWoZPvg
If you hook your opponent’s back leg, you can take him down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijqfK7xyYw[/QUOTE]
We train these against the 80lb heavy bag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47dn0P31BBw&feature=relmfu
Hit the bag to get it going. Then time the hits to connect as the bag is swinging towards you. Focus on shocking the bag and sending it as far as possible each time.
We particularly like the shoulder strikes starting at 1:48. The horse stance ones also.
[QUOTE=-N-;1198411]Shoulder strike is handy to use when the opponent tries to clinch or grapple and he thinks he is not exposed to strikes at that close range.
It can break his attempt at control and allow you to use follow up strikes, stand up grappling, or takedowns.
Or you can use it as you close in to stun him and follow up.
If you train enough, you actually can knock down a person. But don’t follow him down. Just kick him in the face.[/QUOTE]
That’s an excellent point. If you apply shoulder strike in clinch range, it may surprise your opponent big time. It may only exist in TCMA. I have not seen Judo guys or wrestlers used it yet.
When you apply it, watch out for your opponent’s “head lock” and “reverse head lock (guillotine)”. When your shoulder can hit your opponent’s chest, his arms can get your neck too. When his “head lock” make both of your bodies to be connected, the power of your shoulder strike may not work that well. This is why it’s important to be sure that your opponent’s arms won’t give you trouble when you do that.
2 minutes is is good. thsi is ba duan, hes been doing it for a while you can see the jing
Ive only seen wrestlers do it as a side effect of a hard drive. I’m sure they get a kick out of crashing in hard, but it isn’t the reason why they’re in there.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1198416]That’s an excellent point. If you apply shoulder strike in clinch range, it may surprise your opponent big time. It may only exist in TCMA. I have not seen Judo guys or wrestlers used it yet.
When you apply it, watch out for your opponent’s “head lock” and “reverse head lock (guillotine)”. When your shoulder can hit your opponent’s chest, his arms can get your neck too. When his “head lock” make both of your bodies to be connected, the power of your shoulder strike may not work that well. This is why it’s important to be sure that your opponent’s arms won’t give you trouble when you do that.[/QUOTE]
My sihing and I train this as a specialty from our system. Our classmates did not like to train this much.
Actually after we use the strike, we are in good position ourselves to use guillotine on the other guy. We already have right arm control and neck follows right away. But compared to the video, we are more right shoulder to right shoulder. But in the clip, he s right to left or left to right.
Also in training against the bag, we don’t start so far away. We want to maximize the force and minimize the distance needed.
My sihing used it against his classmate when he tried to surprise him with a SC takedown. He used shoulder strike and knocked the other guy down instead. His teacher told him not to use shoulder strike again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWj1pvkCBdA&feature=plcp
At 44 seconds, this is very close to what I was thinking accept that the lead arm is trapped in toward your opponents centerline making it hard for him to come with the left hand and he’s also not able to face you without giving his back or making his arm position even worse by turning in to it. I love that push tho. I would like to see all the ways to trap and enter for that push. I’m less concerned with after the shoulder strike. I am pretty well versed in takedowns, I can see a ton of options there if you keep driving in rather than letting him bump off of you. Do you use your lead arm to push more, or backslap? Or is it just to get him off balance?
Do you use that as an end, or do you just stop there to train that specific drill and not worry about the after until you get that part down?
Also I have seen one where the hips are more square and only turn in after contact. Has that whole deflection force working for you. Sort of like when you check a front kick and push off to unbalance your opp. I love those kinds of deflections. They work really well for me when I’m on the outside of the arms working towards the center line. Gets em all tied up in their own limbs.
MMA fighters use shoulders strikes all the time during clinches. They aren’t that effective really.
[QUOTE=JamesC;1198428]MMA fighters use shoulders strikes all the time during clinches. They aren’t that effective really.[/QUOTE]
Not the same thing. You can’t do what I’m talking about from a static position. It’s kinetic from the step in all the way thru to ground control. You can take side control or mount very easily after the toss.
I know what you mean tho. They do it when their in someones guard too.
It does hurt, I’ve felt it. It’s like getting run over.
[QUOTE=Syn7;1198427]Do you use that as an end, …[/QUOTE]
Your goal may be to drop your knee into your opponent’s groin with all your body weight on it. The shoulder strike is only your 1st step.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1198400]…The shoulder strike by itself is not sufficient enough to take your opponent down. …[/QUOTE]
