Mei Hua Chuan
Then he teaches basic weapons routines and you choose one suited to your body type, then comes the specialization in which he teaches you a style base on your body movement in my case has been mantis and chang chuan. The problem is that many other schools practice these forms as well but do them in a very different way. And another thing he though me a form called Bei chuan, does anybody know it.
I know that many of you are master and I respect everyone of you and ask if you can help me determine the origin of my system. And I would specially like to hear Gene Ching’s opinion I personally admired his art and love his articles and the best magazine of wu-shu since ever.
Thanks all the way from Mexico
Luis Fernando Espinosa Ceja
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I dont know if thats the sort of information that you are looking for, but i know Gong Li Chuan (its the same as Kung Lek Kune, right?) and know that there are different versions of it, depending on the style.
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In fact Im searching for some one to tell me if they heard about the forms before. I know tha lian bu chuan and gong li chuan are practice by other sistems, so I wish to find out more about the origin of this forms and how they related to shaolin temple or why they do not relate to it. Any commentary is welcome.
Thanks
Luis Fernando Espinosa Ceja
In fact Im searching for some one to tell me if they heard about the forms before. I know tha lian bu chuan and gong li chuan are practice by other sistems, so I wish to find out more about the origin of this forms and how they related to shaolin temple or why they do not relate to it. Any commentary is welcome.
Thanks
Luis Fernando Espinosa Ceja
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From what i know Kung Lek Kune was created by the Chin Wu association, that is a very famous school in China and Hong Kong. They taught a lot of styles there, but before learning the specific style sets you had to learn the basic Chin Wu sets, that were 10 if I’m not mistaken.
BTW, i might know the other ones you mentioned but with a different spelling, i’ll check on that later.
In eagle claw, we have to learn some Chin Wu sets before learning the eagle claw ones, this helps developing power, speed and technique before getting to the core of the system.
Kung Lek Kune, for example, is used to develop power.
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Lau Fat Mang was said to introduce Gong Lek Kune to Jing Wu curriculum.
which is another reason eagle claw has close ties with Jing Wu..becuase Lau Fat Mang taught at Shanghai Jing Wu for quite some time.
I’m so very please whit all of your commentaries and grateful for some of the insight you have given me, I do practice hard even whit school and all I think martial arts have become a way for me to go thru life and the vehicle to gain a better understanding of it, but I would like to know the story behind what I’m learning so I could related to the time and maybe the place. But even so you are right is not the style and even your shi-fu (who can only show you the way) that determine the quality of your art and fighting skills, at the end is only you and the ability to go beyond it a grow.
Thanks for everything
Luis Fernando Espinosa Ceja
Your go from a large circle to a small circle then from a small circle to no circle
Without the Chinese characters it is difficult to determine exactly what these sets are. But let me give it a try.
Lian Bu is Lien bo or Continious Step. There are different versions of this set but they still contain the core movements except for one which comes from Fu Chen Sheng’s line. Under the direction of Wan Li Sheng, the set was ordered by Wang Shao Chou that this set was to be taught as the basic standard set at the National Martial Arts School. These two men, along with Fu Chen Sheng, Kuo Yu Chang and Li Hsien Wu are the Five Tigers of the North who went South to the Kwangsi Provence School. The set was brought to the school by Wu Chih Ch’ing who was a master of Ch’a style. It is though that this set is what is left of the original Dragon set that was taught in the Shaolin Temple.
Lian Wan Chuan is Continious Link Fist and is a set that is currently taught at the Shaolin temple. How original is it is questionable.
Gong Li Chuan is one of the standard 10 Ching Wu sets that head instructor Chou Lin Ho of Northern Shaolin and Mi Tsuang brought to the school in 1915. Lau Fat Men of Eagle Claw is thought to have developed it but that is wrong. Lau Fat Men was assigned by Chou Lin Ho to teach the set while he was at Ching Wu in Shanghi in the 1920’s.
Sam Chian chuan, I believe, is San Tung Chuan which is a set that came from Shangtung and was taught at the Ching Wu school.
Siao Wan chuan is translated as Small Circle fist. If this is correct then this set was developed about the 1930’s from the set Gong Li Chuan by Yim Shan Wu of Northern Shaolin.
Mei Hua Chuan is Plum Blossom Fist and is a set that is taught in the style of Mi Tsung.
As for Bei Chuan, I believe Bei means North so the set is called North fist. I found no such record of this set but maybe it is a recent development to reconize northern styles.
hello, you said :
“Gong Li Chuan is one of the standard 10 Ching Wu sets that head instructor Chou Lin Ho of Northern Shaolin and Mi Tsuang brought to the school in 1915. Lau Fat Men of Eagle Claw is thought to have developed it but that is wrong. Lau Fat Men was assigned by Chou Lin Ho to teach the set while he was at Ching Wu in Shanghi in the 1920’s.”
in the post above,
i’d respectfully like to ask who you heard this from to make sure it’s the truth. I have heard that Lau Fat Mang created it only from other posters on these boards, so i have no reason to believe them over you, i just want to learn which is the correct person. a lot of people have said Lau Fat Mang created it, and this is the first time i’ve heard he was actually ASSIGNED to teach it instead. can you tell me, was the first person to teach it at Ching Wu in shanghai?
and finally is Mi Tsuang of northern shaolin also?
thanks, i’d appreciate if you can explain that stuff to me.
and i just wanna add, i think Gong li quan is a really good form especially for stances and learning to use the waist and relax the arms.
and it should be practiced by anyone who thinks it would benefit them, regardless of style.
Mi Tsung is a northern style and is related to the shaolin system. When I mention Northern Shaolin, I was referring to the style and this is separate from the Mi Tsung style. With regards to Chao Lin Ho, he was a master of both styles. His northern shaolin is somethimes refered to as the five battle sets.
As to your other question I got it from various articles from Wu Lin mag.(no specific date), New Martial Hero Mag # 60, 1972, #130 & #136, 1974, Martial Mag #29, 1974, Kung Way #2, 1974, and from Chao Lin Ho’s Lecture notes for the Grand opening of Ching Wu Physical Culture Association, 1915.
This is the only form of the six that I dont personally know. But I have seen two very diferent version the one practice in the book by Wing lam and Ted Mancuso and another one tha isnt as extended and elegant more compact and southern looking. Are there many version of this form or are they all variation of the same one.
Thaks for everything
Luis Fernando Espinosa Ceja
Ted Mancuso learned from Wing Lam and their Plum Blossom fist is number seven of Kuo Yu Chang’s Northern Shaolin style.
Many styles use Plum Blossom to name their set and none of them are related to each other. Plum Blossom is a common descriptive name. For example, another northern style, Ch’a style, uses the same name for their number seven set out of their ten hand sets.
Crushing Fist,
Huo Yu Chia, who is the founder of Ching Wu Association in 1909, is credited for bring Mi Tsung style to Ching Wu. About 1921, Sun Yu Fung brought Northern Shaolin Lo Han to Shanghai’s Ching Wu Association and later to Canton’s Ching Wu Association. Later in the late 1920’s, Yip Yee Ting brought Mi Tsung Lo Han to the Ching Wu Association. Many historians credit Yip Yee Ting as the person who combined Mi Tsung style with Northern Shaolin Lo Han to form a new style, Mi Tsung Lo Han. There is no record of this style existance before Yip Yee Ting’s time.
Last question northen fist, Im thinking of buying some shaolin videos I saw on Wing lam’s web shop. Speacially the one about plum flower fist and emperors long fist (alias tai zu chang chuan) but it seems to good to be true, what do you think. Sorry about my horrible english.
Luis Fernando Espinosa Ceja
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"As for Bei Chuan, I believe Bei means North so the set is called North fist. I found no such record of this set but maybe it is a recent development to reconize northern styles. "
Do you think it might be Tung Bei Chuan - Penetrating Fist.
These tapes may not be what you think. The Tai Tzu Chuan is a set that is part of the Eagle Claw style of Lau Fat Meng and may have no relation to Tai Tzu style.
The same goes with Plum Blossom Chuan. This set is one set of 10 Northern Shaolin of Kuo Yu Chang and is not related at all to other Plum Blossom Chuan sets.
Chances of these sets being the exact same sets that you are looking for is very slim.
However if you purchase it anyway I do not think you will be disappointed because they are very good sets, i.e. flows well and is put together in a very logical way. Each set contains the flavor of the repective style they represent.
Hey,
Heres a link to Mizong fist.
I had a chat with Master Lu, and apparently Chin Woo only teach part of the Mizong Style. They went down a separate lineage from the fourth Generation, having only learnt some of the forms. While this lineage is direct.
And this guy lives 10 minutes from me!
I’m I lucky or what!!!1