The Ten Songshan Shaolin Forms

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Shaolin Kung Fu
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Here it is. These are the forms from the apparently unavailable video series. Took me awhile to digitize ten video tapes.
Enjoy!

Xiaohongquan by Liu Chunliang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMPtUsiyhPA

Dahongquan by Shi Yongzhi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1h8pyH7Q3Y

Tongbiqaun by Cui Xiqi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tsE3EpxvIw

and his students
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW4eGQwTNpc

Liuhequan by Shi Yanzi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQEP54fBMuU

Taizu changquan by Liang Yiquan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw-qCSCAlHs

and his student
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QFJQqdeLVk

Changhuxinyimen by Liu Baoshan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYErJ2GZP4

and his students
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ARnhPbkhQ

Qixingquan by a master Wang (not sure of the name)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RuX7jh40hc

Meihuaquan by Shi Gongsun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbUUKKWMWYw

Paoquan by Liu Junhai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lev-mkcR4s

Luohanquan by Shi Yanzi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPOiHl18mA

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Very nice of you to do that for people.

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Thanks for sharing.

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Yeah, WOW Thanks!!

I have this whole set in my library, but it’s really nice to have the key forms in my laptop too!

What did you mean by “Unavalaible?” I bought mine from Wing Lam about 3-4 years ago.

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Sal,
Is this the form from the Emperor’s freind that he had to kill in battle? Or a Shaolin vesion of the Taoist Tong Bei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tsE3EpxvIw

Is this the full Da Hong? It seems a bit different than the Xaio Hong, but similar at the same time. Does this set match the Xiao Hong, or is this from the newer Hong style?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1h8pyH7Q3Y

I have allways really liked this perticular perfromance of the Tai tzu set. I know it’s a bit Wushuised, but it is artistry in motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QFJQqdeLVk

Notice the way he punches at :47? I steps back as he punches. Most lines either stay inplace, or move forward here. The quetion, since everyone seems to do this section different, is this part of the form comonly “Marked” ? or si there allowed variences?

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wow. yes this is very nice.

thanks!

you cannot download video from youtube.com can you?

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Google “VDownloader” and install. You will be able to download then.

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Posted by Royal Dragon “What did you mean by “Unavailable?” I bought mine from Wing Lam about 3-4 years ago.”

Someone said these videos aren’t on the market anymore. I bought mine a while back too.

Apparently you can go to www.keepvid.com with the IP address of the video you want and save it to your computer, playable on flash.

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[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;760217]Google “VDownloader” and install. You will be able to download then.[/QUOTE]

You are so the man

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thanks for uploading!

just a couple comments:

  1. are you sure the meihuaquan isnt done by shi guosong? actually, he has a vcd out on this one and its called ditang meihuaquan.

  2. the paoquan form done here is the same as the old monk performing as we’ve seen on youtube. both of them seem to be missing some sections as if slightly abbreviated.

  3. the luohanquan form looks like xiaoluohanquan but it is very jumbled from the way i’ve seen it by a number of different performers.

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[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;760164]Is this the full Da Hong? It seems a bit different than the Xaio Hong, but similar at the same time. Does this set match the Xiao Hong, or is this from the newer Hong style?[/quote]

its the same as the first road of dahongquan as performed by shi deyang that we saw. so it has 2 more roads following it.

p.s. sheesh! yongzhi was awesome when he was younger, eh?! :eek:

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good videos
keep it up

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[QUOTE=LFJ;760234]just a couple comments:

  1. are you sure the meihuaquan isnt done by shi guosong? actually, he has a vcd out on this one and its called ditang meihuaquan.

  2. the paoquan form done here is the same as the old monk performing as we’ve seen on youtube. both of them seem to be missing some sections as if slightly abbreviated.

  3. the luohanquan form looks like xiaoluohanquan but it is very jumbled from the way i’ve seen it by a number of different performers.[/QUOTE]

Sighhhhh, these 10 forms are marked, marked means that they have added moves or subtracted moves so that they can see if you learned the forms from their tape, in case you claim that you learned it from one of the monks.
Also, none of these 10 forms are worth learning from cause they have jumbled moves and interchanged moves and left some add.
Many of the exhibitions of the forms are half hearted, they really don’t want you to learn from the tapes.

Sorry to be a party pooper, but I would hate for people to perhaps learn them step by step from these tapes and it was all done in vain.

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[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;760164]Sal,
Is this the form from the Emperor’s freind that he had to kill in battle? Or a Shaolin vesion of the Taoist Tong Bei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tsE3EpxvIw

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The Shaolin Tong Bi or Tong Bei is not like the Original Tong Bei of ancient times, it has almost the same name, but it is a lot more newer and based on different ideas, although the narrator in that video is mixing up the two different Tong Bei and Tong Bi styles together in his talking.

Shaolin Tong Bi is a mixture of their older forms and it done only for training.

Taoist Tong Bei is based on sword and ape movements.

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[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;760164]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QFJQqdeLVk

Notice the way he punches at :47? I steps back as he punches. Most lines either stay in place, or move forward here. The question, since everyone seems to do this section different, is this part of the form commonly “Marked” ? or is there allowed variances?[/QUOTE]

Yeah at :47 he adds this stepping back cause he was going beyond camera range and had to reel himself back in (that’s all).
yeah, this form is often marked here and also earlier at :25-27.

I’ll let you in an a secret about this form, it is always marked (moves left out or done very mushy so you can’t tell exactly what they did there) exactly at the same spots that it corresponds to something that is very important to Chen Tai Ji.
Why?
Cause a) they don’t want you to know that; b) then you will know the real way to do the movements with internal strength and soft/hard/fast/slow energy; and c) the young people that do these forms only care about doing the forms so that they look good to the public, so they have streamlined the forms and taken out the parts that slow it down, which happen to be the important parts.

I got that straight from the horse’s mouth, Russ asked his teachers at Shaolin for me.

Also, since I possess the old original Quan Pu for this form I know the real routine, with the original characters in Chinese being from a very old way to make the characters, some of the characters in the verses I had to ask many people to translate until I could find someone of sufficient knowledge that they could understand them.

For example, what is commonly called Single Whip, in the ancient quan pu I have, the character instead says it is a “dig wedge hammer” or a “Plowing hammer” as it would be known today, but the characters not used anymore and are for a very ancient farming tool, where you hold the handles on each side and you walk along a row as you push a blade through making furrows, so that seeds can be planted.
In pinyin it says “Jue-Xie Chui”, but it took a long time to decipher that from the old rare characters.

All the verses are like that, saying things in a old way that is not from modern times.

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Yeah at :47 he adds this stepping back cause he was going beyond camera range and had to reel himself back in (that’s all).
yeah, this form is often marked here and also earlier at :25-27.

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I thought so too. He skips some moves at :33 too as well as other places.

I’ll let you in an a secret about this form, it is always marked (moves left out or done very mushy so you can’t tell exactly what they did there) exactly at the same spots that it corresponds to something that is very important to Chen Tai Ji.
Why?

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Really? I don’t know Chen, so Ican am not able to see that.

Cause a) they don’t want you to know that; b) then you will know the real way to do the movements with internal strength and soft/hard/fast/slow energy; and c) the young people that do these forms only care about doing the forms so that they look good to the public, so they have streamlined the forms and taken out the parts that slow it down, which happen to be the important parts.

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WuShuised.

I got that straight from the horse’s mouth, Russ asked his teachers at Shaolin for me.

Also, since I possess the old original Quan Pu for this form I know the real routine, with the original characters in Chinese being from a very old way to make the characters, some of the characters in the verses I had to ask many people to translate until I could find someone of sufficient knowledge that they could understand them.

For example, what is commonly called Single Whip, in the ancient quan pu I have, the character instead says it is a “dig wedge hammer” or a “Plowing hammer” as it would be known today,

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Interesting, that gives me some things to think about.

[I]but the characters not used anymore and are for a very ancient farming tool, where you hold the handles on each side and you walk along a row as you push a blade through making furrows, so that seeds can be planted.
In pinyin it says “Jue-Xie Chui”, but it took a long time to decipher that from the old rare characters.

All the verses are like that, saying things in a old way that is not from modern times.[/I]

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That is why this stuff is so difficult to map out.

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[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;760217]Google “VDownloader” and install. You will be able to download then.[/QUOTE]

u sir are THE MAN

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[QUOTE=golden arhat;760336]u sir are THE MAN[/QUOTE]

how come it doesnt work for me? :frowning:

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[QUOTE=Sal Canzonieri;760254]The Shaolin Tong Bi or Tong Bei is not like the Original Tong Bei of ancient times, it has almost the same name, but it is a lot more newer and based on different ideas, although the narrator in that video is mixing up the two different Tong Bei and Tong Bi styles together in his talking.

Shaolin Tong Bi is a mixture of their older forms and it done only for training.

Taoist Tong Bei is based on sword and ape movements.[/QUOTE]

what was he mixing up about them? talking about monkey?

i wouldnt say its an inaccurate description for shaolin tongbiquan to be the only “photographic boxing that belongs to the non-photographic boxing of shaolin boxing”.

according to master shi deyang it is based on xiaohong, dahong, and houquan (monkey boxing). and the xiaotongbiquan sets have clear “monkey claw” hand forms in them, as well as some monkey behavioral body movements. so it is also called tongbi monkey boxing.

cant get more monkey than that without being placed in the “photographic” class. (i guess that refers to mimicry- or perhaps more appropriately “apery”?)

but its a mixture of the essential principles and techniques of xiaohong, dahong, and monkey… not a copy of those. hence, while it is partially based on monkey boxing it remains “non-photographic”, a non-mimicry style.

i think the narrator was on-point with this one.

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I don’t even understand what he is saying…