I did not know that he didn’t call it WC, but I did read that he did also learn o-mei and crane at some point. Are you saying that he called his mixed art of wc SLT+Omei+crane simply ‘yik kam slt’? That would make sense to me since it is one of the few WC systems that does not follow the more traditional SNT/CK/BJ progression as does the other red boat arts coming from Wong Wah Bo, which was earlier than yik kam.
(I think the only other lineage that doesn’t follow this progression is Gulo right?)
wong wah bo wing chun came long before yik kam slt. certainly yik kam wouldn’t dare to call his mixed art as wing chun kune in front of wong wah bo and leung yee tai. it’s up to yik kam to stand up for his own creation -’ yik kam slt.’
both ching san and pin san are san sau wing chun, unlike snt/ck/bj. leung jan created two versions of gulo wck. (ching san and pin san), wong wah saam was a small guy and he couldn’t use his gulo wck effectively against those big guys, therefore leung jan created another version of gulo pin san wck for wong wah saam.
[QUOTE=RB93SAAT;1066257]you’re convinced to buy into sergio’s bs.[/QUOTE]
Sergio put his name with his work. right or wrong, agree or not agree, he is truly doing his job.
and how about you? hidden in your nick name and always posting your negative opinions on others.
Who are you? do you do WCK? what is your lineage? what is your agenda on posting all these negative attack posts? until you present yourself, dont critic Sergio.
hendrik, again you’re talking nonsense! you like to hide behind sergio. your questions may be fueling your insecurities rather than contributing to a conversation. i don’t care about if your name is hendrik or pikachu…who care? if you are not ready to give me your SSN or where do you live? and where do you work? don’t ever ask me anymore personal questions again. next time if you want my # make sure you got a pretty sister…lol. ok, ron is my name, originally i came from foshan ching wu school. and i do wck and clf and that’s all you have to know.
[QUOTE=theo;1066242]As a sensing and adapting type of art, not to mention a close body art…one must be able to sense and adapt with any part of the body. One must also be able to use any part of the body as needed…the Snake activates every inch of the body from the finger tips to the toes, which when fused with the Crane shape makes WCK WCK.
“Thus I have heard” it is also important in the power generation (i.e. momentum generation :D)[/QUOTE]
A good thread here Theo. Its nice to see some feedback from people who have visited or trained with someone else on the board. Hendrik can sometimes come across a bit wayward, so you may be helpful to those that are interested in his ideas.
I’m interested to hear from you why you think the omei snake is required within WCK? Is it something you believe Yik Kam ‘added’ from other learning or is it supposed to be in all families curriculums?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1066300]As a fact, Sergio or me are not shy to present who are we where is the insecurities comes from?
as for you, Which Ron? Which Foshan ChingWu? with lineage of WCK? who is your sifu? that remain unsaid isnt it?[/QUOTE]
which hendrik? which pikachu? are they the same person? no! yes! who cares? which o-mei? which crane? which question? over 10,000 posts…still singing the same old songs…o-mie, crane, o-mie, crane, who is your sifu? who is your sifu’s sifu? which sifu? which lineage? do your sifu know hendrik? hendrik who? which hendrik wants to know…? that hendrik! hendrik who? that hendrik spend 24/7 on kfo…why?.. why didn’t he spend more time on wingchunkune.com forum instead of coming here…i guess hendrik wants more attentions from the public…over there, only one guy wants to talk to him and nobody else…oh, poor hendrik!!!
hendrik, again you’re talking nonsense! you like to hide behind sergio. your questions may be fueling your insecurities rather than contributing to a conversation. i don’t care about if your name is hendrik or pikachu…who care? if you are not ready to give me your SSN or where do you live? and where do you work? don’t ever ask me anymore personal questions again. next time if you want my # make sure you got a pretty sister…lol. ok, ron is my name, originally i came from foshan ching wu school. and i do wck and clf and that’s all you have to know.
Since you are always posting the same type of negative posts, and unable to be rational, here on, your post will be ignored.
Please do not post in this thread and open your own thread.
[QUOTE=RB93SAAT;1066316]which hendrik? which pikachu? are they the same person? no! yes! who cares? which o-mei? which crane? which question? over 10,000 posts…still singing the same old songs…o-mie, crane, o-mie, crane, who is your sifu? who is your sifu’s sifu? which sifu? which lineage? do your sifu know hendrik? hendrik who? which hendrik wants to know…? that hendrik! hendrik who? that hendrik spend 24/7 on kfo…why?.. why didn’t he spend more time on wingchunkune.com forum instead of coming here…i guess hendrik wants more attentions from the public…over there, only one guy wants to talk to him and nobody else…oh, poor hendrik!!!..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=theo;1066258]The details and body mechanics are just rearranging the incoming force vectors, 6 directional force stuff. [/QUOTE]
How do you rearrange the incoming force vectors without some king of a root?
and where do you rearrange the incoming force vectors to? is it away from your centerline/center of gravity?
[QUOTE=theo;1066258]Levitation is basically these three conditions at the same time:
the state where the body’s every joints/muscles/tendons are loosened up,
breathing is natural and effortless,
and the mind has entered into silence[/QUOTE]
Is the body completely de-linked when doing this?
How do you maintain the body’s every joints/muscles/tendons loosened up when receiving incoming force, there has to be some type of muscle tonus since human being use muscle and tendons to move our sketelital frame, but not necessarily tension to recieve force
[QUOTE=theo;1066258]The details and body mechanics are just rearranging the incoming force vectors, 6 directional force stuff.
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KFF,
Your mind cant picture what you have not seen.
and to be real honest, one needs to have a refine body mechanics to handle these stuffs. not to mention, one needs to enter into the silence, loose, and nature constantly to cultivate them.
Thus, it is not what the general usual think. It could be done via transformation. and not via mind controlling the body without transformation of the body.
Transformation is the kung fu one gain from properly practice the internal set. That is another paradigm contradict to the general thinking of mimic the set.
Again, why do I mention the emei snake again and again? because it is the key to the transformation. without a proper way of doing it, the transformation cannot take place and thus one will not get the benifit.
Up to you to believe anything you like but the above is what it is in my view.
There is no magic but the transformation needs to take place to activate the engine.
Why I always ask people to go Baisi? because one needs someone who knows to get one into the transformation flow.
Theo, get to experience what is silence in a basic way within 15 mins follow the coaching instruction. how long do you think one needs to get into silence without a coaching?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1066341]Again, why do I mention the emei snake again and again? because it is the key to the transformation. without a proper way of doing it, the transformation cannot take place and thus one will not get the benifit.
… Theo, get to experience what is silence in a basic way within 15 mins follow the coaching instruction. how long do you think one needs to get into silence without a coaching?[/QUOTE]
Again I repeat my question:
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1066341]I’m interested to hear from you why you think the omei snake is required within WCK? Is it something you believe Yik Kam ‘added’ from other learning or is it supposed to be in all families curriculums?[/QUOTE]
Although looking through some posts here gives me a pretty good idea I still would like to hear from Theo or Hendrik…
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1066344]Again I repeat my question:
Although looking through some posts here gives me a pretty good idea I still would like to hear from Theo or Hendrik…[/QUOTE]
I let Theo reply you on his own view and his experience since now he knows what it is.
From my view, Snake of emei always in all the WCK as shown in Sergio’s clip on BJ practice.
Emei snake enable the penetration of handling to finger tips and the sensitivity/adaptiveness of WCK. With it, there is another level of play, without it will shutdown this level of play and default into a White crane of fujian or even further default into Southern TCMA.
It is obvious up to everyone to decide which level of play they intended to have.
In a history and signature perspective, Emei snake is unavoidable when studying the past of WCK. When the Emei signature such as five finger tracing taiji shows in Fung Chun’s practice, Fung is the olderst WCK practitioner at our time, it already is a connection fact which cannot be deny.
For past decade, I maintain what the WCK ancestors says Crane and Snake. today, after decade of resistance or even against, some those who oppose it has admit on Crane’s connection from Fujian. It doesnt matter if it takes another decade for others to accept the snake from emei but eventually it has to go that way. Let wait and see. The world of WCK will transform because Truth cannot be covered up.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1066292]Out of curiosity, did you guys spar or fight at all?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1066296]nope, no need to spar for what is obvious and can communicate easily.
I just instruct him on what my idea and let him experience what is the different between before and after the instruction.
It is my believe that for one to experience the advantage onself from the technology and make the judgement is better then anything.[/QUOTE]
lol - you contradict yourself in the same post; you talk about “experiencing for oneself” as the best marker by which one can make a judgment; yet for all of your talk of “experience” versus “speculation”, explain how you can say or know anything about how the principles you espouse would function under the sort of conditions that exist during a relatively random exchange such sparing? no one doubts that it is possible to instruct someone to “feel” the six-direction principles you point out (and guess what Hendrick, this “six-directions” concept is in no way unique to what you teach, it’s not even unique to Chinese martial arts, lol), but what about applying them in context of martial function?
so do tell Hendrick, how can one validly verify the usage of “six-principles” under combat conditions if one does not engage in that way? how can you look someone in the eye, teach them a martial practice and not “touch hands” in order that they may directly experience the application of the principles in a combat context?
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1066366]lol - you contradict yourself in the same post; you talk about “experiencing for oneself” as the best marker by which one can make a judgment; yet for all of your talk of “experience” versus “speculation”,
explain how you can say or know anything about how the principles you espouse would function under the sort of conditions that exist during a relatively random exchange such sparing?
no one doubts that it is possible to instruct someone to “feel” the six-direction principles you point out (and guess what Hendrick, this “six-directions” concept is in no way unique to what you teach, it’s not even unique to Chinese martial arts, lol), but what about applying them in context of martial function?
so do tell Hendrick, how can one validly verify the usage of “six-principles” under combat conditions if one does not engage in that way? how can you look someone in the eye, teach them a martial practice and not “touch hands” in order that they may directly experience the application of the principles in a combat context?[/QUOTE]
You know, dont insult your own intelligent.
Read the previous posts on the thread carefully before making your assumption and speculation.
and please, please, there is no such thing as " six-principles". get your mind straight before posting ok?
