Mastering Kung Fu - A Review

I ordered it from Amazon on October 12; it arrived on November 24.

Paperback, glossy cover, 226 pages, large easily readable text, clear and precise drawings. Layout is similar to other books in the series, e.g. Mastering Ju Jitsu by Renzo Gracie and John Danaher.

The black and white photographs are of good, though not exceptional, quality; the photographs in “Mastering Ju Jitsu” are larger and clearer to my eye. This is hardly a major issue; the best books I have seen for learning a martial art are John Will’s BJJ books, in which neither paper quality nor photographic quality are as good as they are in this book; but in the case of John Will’s books, the photos capture perfectly the subject being discussed.

Many of the photographs appear to be of relatively junior and less technically adept (which is not to say poor) students; this is not bad either, indeed for me one of the most enjoyable and endearing aspects of Rene Ritchie’s book on Yuen Kay-San Wing Chun was that the photographs of techniques were nearly all of Rene and his training partners doing the best they could (which was not at all bad, I hasten to add). Better this than a bunch of “venerable masters” - it also gives the prospective student more of a feeling that, “Yeah, I can do this too”.

The historical material is presented with fine organisation and at an unprecedented level of detail. Also, the exposition of the principles of the HFY system are explained with clarity and in great detail. No other book has presented the theoretical underpinnings of any Wing Chun variant with such precision and in such depth. In that regard, it is indisputable that this book breaks new ground and sets a new standard. A good deal of interesting information on Chi Sim Wing Chun was also presented. All aspects of HFY theory (that is the right word) are presented in a highly organised and deeply detailed fashion. The technical aspects are explained with tight and precise writing; the discussions of more esoteric concepts perhaps occasionally tend to wander a little, but they by definition difficult to discuss.

The main premise of the book is that the fundamental principles of HFY, or “formula”, allow the practitioner to produce an ideal “dimensional” defense and or offense, in terms of space, time and energy, which will, in precise physical and scientific terms, result in the most efficient way to neutralise the particular threat even in the rapid change and frenzied chaos that is hand to hand combat, and that training of the requisite quality and quantity will produce fighters that can perform this way at will against any adversary, trained in whatever system and whatever skill, no matter how superior their physical attributes may be.

Many may feel that reality is too chaotic (in the “chaos theory” sense) and humanity too varied and imperfect for such a proposition to hold in the real world. “Performance overrides precision” and other maxims proposed by other famed martial artists come to mind. But the book argues its case well, if not completely convincingly.

The other premise was that this formula was developed by the combined efforts of soldiers and Shaolin disciples several hundred years ago, was perfect then and remains so to this day, and was preserved in secret by only a few members of arcane societies. Others, without access to the complete system, who built on their limited knowledge through their own efforts or by blending with other systems, were doomed to watering down the “pure” system.

Even the systems of such WC ancestors as Leung Jan and Yip Man are seen as impure and demonstrably inferior, as matters of scientific fact since they do not implement the HFY “formula”.

These outcomes seem anomalous in terms of the history and philosophy of science, where similar discoveries are made by independent researchers, and where continuous evolution or revolution leads to continuing refinement
and improvement over time, and where collaboration and visibility rather than secrecy lead to the most rapid improvements.

Also, the battlefields where various “formulae” have developed have changed over time; people such as W.E. Fairbairn and Rex Applegate had the ascendancy around WWII where H2H combat is concerned (their armies won, didn’t they?) - and in modern times where wars are fought with high and low tech explosives and projectile weapons, tanks and air support (and hijacked airliners and car bombs), the H2H combat arena most people care about are urban environments, muggings, carjackings, brawls and home invasions.

In those arenas and in these times people such as Scott Sonnon, Tony Blauer and Geoff Thompson are arguably at the forefront. For whatever reason, the U.S. Army’s H2H combat programs are now heavily BJJ based, something that even I, as an almost rabidly keen student of BJJ, find surprising.

Is a system developed on battlefields 300 odd years ago really superior for modern conditions to anything any of these more recent researchers in the field have come up with?

Perhaps those people need this book. Perhaps you do as well. I would recommend it to them in the highly unlikely event they sought my advice, as food for thought - and probably to hear their impressions, as unbiased professionals, working with law enforcement and military personnel, who the authors of the book claim as part of their target audience.

In essence the questions are: can a formula developed for dealing with battlefield adversaries 300 years ago in China still be ideal for citizenry in modern urban society, or for combat and law enforcement professionals?

Do the massive technological and societial changes, and the discoveries made between times, have zero impact on the effectiveness of the (now ancient) formula?

The phrase “paradigm shift” is used extensively in the book to describe the embrace of these ideas by the HFY trainee. “Act of faith” is IMO a more accurate term.

I do not state this pejoratively- any trainee in any skill that involves personal risk must start from a base of ignorance, and must place his or her faith in the instructor and the methodology, at least until the student’s experience and increasing knowledge and understanding allow him or her to make sound judgements - yea or nay - on their own. I know I have done this with all the teachers I studied under - with generally excellent results, though also with one humungous failure.

The HFY propositions are counter-intuitive - not a bad thing, so are many of BJJ’s basic strategies - go against the experiences of most, and sound too good to be true (which doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t). As HFY practitioners have stated over and over, it is not possible to determine whether their proposals will
work or not without experiencing them for yourself. Without that experience, one must make judgements based on what experiences and knowledge one does have. If direct experience is not easily obtained (for someone like me living in Australia, it is not), or the arguments of the proponents not sufficiently convincing for that experience to be sought, the modern history of most martial arts, and the experiences of many, indicate that scepticism is a healthy attitude.

However, scepticism should never reject the possibility that the proposal could be true, at least in part. If this really flies when you run it up the flagpole, and better than anything else, yes please, I’d like some. The book argues its case very well and in great detail; the proof of the pudding is not therein, however.

The writers have elected to undertake a polemic and political approach in regard to other variants of Wing Chun Kung Fu, lumping them together as “Popular Wing Chun” and pointing out their alleged “shortcomings” at regular intervals. I could not avoid thinking of William Cheung and his “Traditional” and “Modified” versions of Wing Chun, and the thirty-odd years of negativity brought to the Wing Chun family as a result. I cannot see that doing the same thing in this case will end up with a markedly different result. The only non-HFY substyle left out of this treatment is Chi Sim, probably a wise plan since its leader, Andreas Hoffman, may have been rather less inclined to write the foreword to the book otherwise.

As with all generalisations, this one involves many inaccuracies, one being the usage of a low line tan sao in all “Popular” lineages. They’re not all the same, chaps.

This attitude must raise questions in the minds of discerning readers about the objectivity of the presentation of the historical and technical information in the book.

Bruce Lee is portrayed as a worthy seeker after martial truth, ultimately failing due to his inability to access HFY’s Wing Chun “formula”. A somewhat strange attitude to arguably the most successful and influential martial artist of recent, perhaps any, times, probably an early influence on some more senior HFY practitioners today.

On page 47, the authors launch into a diatribe regarding other historians and internet users, for those in the know obviously aimed pretty squarely at recent authors of other popular books on Wing Chun, including the one that first brought Gee Sifu to the attention of the rest of the Wing Chun world, who have chosen scepticism where the HFY proposals are concerned. The inclusion of this piece of vituperation is unnecessary and IMO spoils an otherwise excellent book. The HFY family has had few qualms about using the internet for their own purposes. The reader is counselled that virtual style and Sifu bashing via the internet and criticism of other styles should not be tolerated, though apparently if a few of you band together and produce a book which bashes brother lineages, that is fine.

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Actions have consequences, to quote the authors, something the participants in the Cologne 1986 and New York 1996 incidents have had ample opportunity to reflect on. The latter resulted from internet trash talking, BTW. Take us not down this same road again, please.

As happened in those cases, most sensible practitioners will ignore these overtures, enjoy the book, maybe explore and incorporate some of its ideas, maybe attend a seminar, maybe take up HFY, or perhaps just continue with whatever they were doing.

The book explains early on that the style is based on “reality rather than theory”, but then spends almost the entire rest of the book presenting theory, which it calls the “formula”, in great, and excellent detail. Go figure.

Sportfighting is denigrated, with that philosophy of that prominent Wing Chun exponent, Gichin Funakoshi, used as an example as appeal to authority.

There is nothing wrong with promoting one’s cause, but there is if you do it by trying to drag down your peers to get to the top. If HFY is as good as you believe, it should stand on its own. If you are different from other lineages, and have a superior moral standard via your Shaolin links, act that way and avoid the lineage bashing too many others have unfortunately indulged in.

Overall:

If this book was written purely to explain the history and principles of Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun, it would be almost an instant classic and would easily get four and a half stars out of five from me. The polemic stance of the authors and implicit and explicit denigration of other Kung Fu and Wing Chun systems, and those associated with them, means it gets no more than a pretty generous three and a half. Worth buying? Definitely. It is still one of the best Wing Chun books written to date. Just take a Valium or some Valerian when they get needlessly controversial.

BTW, HFY and TWC are NOT the same. There are superficial similarities in some areas, but even the parallel foot neutral stance and side neutral stance differ between the two lineages, from what I see in the pictures TWC’s is narrower and the knees sunk deeper, and there are other minor postural differences. The forms are certainly different.

The book counsels its readers that there are far too many out there giving opinions on Wing Chun without qualification or suitable experience. FWIW, I have studied various martial arts since 1977, including Bac Fu Do Kung Fu, Xingyi and BaGua. I started TWC in 1989 under Sifu Rick Spain, and gained my instructor level (gold sash) in 1995 while our academy belonged to William Cheung’s WWCKFA. I have been graded further since then and continue to train hard in both TWC and Machado Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, in which I hold the rank of blue belt. I’ve been injured, hurt, and taken beyond exhaustion. I am hardly “Master of Almightiness”, but I believe I’ve paid enough dues to hold an opinion worth considering.

I hope this review gives you a clear picture of what the book is about. I encourage all to read it.

Andrew Nerlich, proud practitioner of Popular Wing Chun and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

Hi Andrew,

Excellent review. I’m sure those who haven’t read the book yet will appreciate the effort. And for those who who have read it, your review should add a welcomed additional perspective to the book.

Regards,
Alan

Wow Andrew, and thanks. A superb blend of objectivity and personal perspective, excellently written. This may be a new standard in Martial Arts book review.

I too would like to see other’s objective reviews, in part because of - rather than in spite of - each’s unique window of experiences and perspectives.

Regards,

  • Kathy Jo

Ive only read the cover so far.

Looks pretty good so far.

:smiley:

Anerlich- Good and clear and independent review. Descriptively sound and analytically balanced. Well done!

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“Sportfighting is denigrated, with that philosophy of that prominent Wing Chun exponent, Gichin Funakoshi, used as an example as appeal to authority.”

HI Andrew,
The above quote was the funniest thing I have read in a long time!

Great review.

Dave c

Hi Anerlich,

Great review!

some add on,

IMHO, If memory serve I have seen the “pole” somewhere from Non WCK lineage. may be some old chinese magazine had it also…

I agree on your comment such as:

"
The writers have elected to undertake a polemic and political approach in regard to other variants of Wing Chun Kung Fu, lumping them together as “Popular Wing Chun” and pointing out their alleged “shortcomings” at regular intervals. …

Even the systems of such WC ancestors as Leung Jan and Yip Man are seen as impure and demonstrably inferior, as matters of scientific fact since they do not implement the HFY “formula”…

Bruce Lee is portrayed as a worthy seeker after martial truth, ultimately failing due to his inability to access HFY’s Wing Chun “formula”. A somewhat strange attitude to argue…"

Those writing seems to repeat and confirm the writers belief of thier superiority which started in the magazine article years ago.

I think every lineage “story” has thier birth right to be respected. HOwever,
IMHO, I think the writers are running extremly high risk by making claims…

1, what if those formulas of their connection to Shao Lin Chan was proven that it doesn’t link to shao lin Chan? or the Chan reality of non dual?

2, when more and more evidents of the “popular WCK” shown in public that the reality is different then what they thought. then what happen? this book will serve as ghost that will haunt them in the future ?

certainly, it is admirable to published a book based on one’s belief and I think the book can be better and serve higher positive purpose if the writers think twice about thier claim , don’t make claim in shao lin Chan which they evidentally has no idea and experience about based on the evident in writing in the book, but focus on thier uniqueness instead of stepping on unknown and others which they have no idea about which will certainly shoot back.

I belive the existance of every lineage has a meaning and respectable. Thus, I am not attacking any lineages but critic the content of a book.

Andrew Nerlich:

Fantastic review of the book !!! I now want very much to read it, if for no other reason (and there may turn out to be many reasons) - then to try and understand the “formula” that no one has been able to adequately explain IMO on this forum so far…

As regards the incident in New York City in 1996, and its implications for what might be dangerous about some of the denigrating languageand ideas used in the present book about other wing chun systems that don’t use the “formula”…

as you probably know I was right in the middle of the 1996 affair here in New York… when, at that time, a certain Andrew Draheim of the Leung Ting/Emin Boztepe world…put a spy in my school - who found out that I was scheduled for double hernia surgery - and lo and behold - before you could say the words “cowardly opportunist”, Draheim moves his school literally five feet away from my door, challenges me to a fight, calls me a coward for not accepting, calls William Cheung "a piece of sh#t " in front of my students - gets his head handed to him a week later and I get arrested and spend the next 8 months trying to fend off an assualt charge in court…

AND UNTIL YOU MADE YOUR INITIAL POST ON THIS THREAD…I
didn’t know to this day that Draheim might have done what he did because of internet wars going on at that time - I never even knew how to use a computer until three years ago (2000)…so it wasn’t me or any of my students doing the internet thing at that time…as I now look back at it I begin to realize it may have been Joe Grepo, who was doing administrative and organizational work for William Cheung at the time…Joe loved to talk trash over the internet, as I recall.

I’m not specifically blaming Joe for all of this, by the way - my point is that on reflection it is really easy for all kinds of mischief - including violent mischief - to get started when claims of superiority (ie. -the TWC way is the best way…the HFY formula is the best way, etc.) - when the next step is taken…“AND THEREFORE ALL OTHER WAYS ARE INFERIOR”.

It’s a fine line that has to be walked, I suppose - if one really believes that the system they do is the best (and hopefully that belief comes from serious logic, study and experience) - if one really believes that… then fine - say it…

but the trick is to say it in a way that doesn’t denigrate other people into wanting to “show you how wrong you are” by coming after you with out-of-control violence.

Perhaps the answer could someday be an all-wing chun yearly tournamant somewhere, somehow…where actions will speak infinitely louder than words about who and what is the best…

but actions performed in a controlled atmosphere where good-sportsmanship, professionalism and mutual respect is the order of the day.

Andrew - Great review. The VTM continues to raise the bar in some areas, and at least to drive the discussion in others.

Phoenix - I think I know the articles you mean. One was New Martial Hero, the other Wulin. I think there was an English article too a few years back. I’ll catch you offlist.

Victor - It was on Rec.Martial.Arts, part of USENET, and old-style “board” type system. I recall most TWC (Andrew, Marty, etc.) and most WT people (Andrew, Mike, etc.) being quite civilized and polite. Draheim himself, however, was also posting on RMA directly, and his posts were usually part of less friendly discussions. I don’t remember Joe posting at the time. It was the internet MA soap opera for a while there.

Thanks, guys.

Victor, don’t worry, I was there right at the start of all the stuff with Draheim on rec.m-a. He started it with a set of long, insulting and ridiculous monologues. Guys like Mike Peter and Rick Shank from WT were put in very difficult positions by him trying to keep the “debate” on some track of sanity. Draheim was rounded on not only by Marty and myself, but the unnvolved who saw the absurdity of his actions. Frankly, I think the outcome was inevitable.

Nevertheless, it shows the folly of taking such a path. Which I hope the writers of the book and their students will heed lest anything similar happen. As they said themselves in the book, “actions have consequences”.

To address your other point, the problems come IMO not when people say “my style is pure and sophisticated and great”, but say “everything all these other people do is inferior, mine is the only true way, and because you don’t follow the true and pure way you have no business to disagree.” Though in Draheim’s case it was phrased more like “TWC is utter crap and William Cheung is a big fraud.”

Andrew, Rene:

Thanks for bringing me up to speed on what was going on in those days…by the time I was dragged into it the game was obviously long afoot.

I am looking forward to buying the HFY book and delving into the “formula”. How do I go about purchasing it?

Anerlich,

I’m glad you enjoyed your copy of Mastering KF. I had a feeling that once you read it, that you might be happy with it’s depth of details and knowledge shared.

It’s unfortunate that you found certain areas polemic and political. As that was not the intent of the book.

Anyways… good reading to you, and who knows, maybe you’ll try out the WC formula.

Sifu Parlati,

I think Amazon.com has copies for $13… (lowest price I’ve seen)

“I’m glad you enjoyed your copy of Mastering KF. I had a feeling that once you read it, that you might be happy with it’s depth of details and knowledge shared.”

Indeed I am. As I said, the best I’ve ever seen where WC is concerned.

“It’s unfortunate that you found certain areas polemic and political. As that was not the intent of the book.”

I agree it’s unfortunate. If that were not [a hopefully and apparently minor part of] the intent, than that stuff should not have been in there, as it serves no possible more productive purpose that I can see.

“Anyways… good reading to you, and who knows, maybe you’ll try out the WC formula.”

I think calling it the “HFY formula” is more accurate. Other arts and WC subsystems have their own formulae, whether the authors of the book agree or not. Xingyi and Bagua have formulae based on numeric entities, on a Taoist rather than Ch’an set of principles. 36 and 108 are prominent numbers is taiji, to name just one art, as well as HFY.

Some formulae may not be as intricate or multifaceted as that of the book, but size and complexity do not necessarily correlate to effectiveness or correctness (nor do they necessarily rule them out, though). One man’s paradigm will always be another’s anathema in this area. A sensible person will try to appreciate the reasoning of others, however.

Victor, get it from Amazon.com. Their ordering procedure is straightforward, and they have always been prompt and reliable in my experience. Alternatively the VT Museum may sell copies directly, though you’d need someone from there to confirm that.

Andrew, with some minor adjustment for audience (or not), your review would make an excellent contribution to Amazon.

Regards,

  • Kathy Jo

Thank you for the EXCELLENT REVIEW

anerlich,

That was a well rounded, well written review. Thanks for your efforts!!

Kathy Jo

I was actually thinking of posting an abbreviated one there. Maybe today or tomorrow.

I have posted a much shorter review at amazon.com.

Anerlich,

Good review. Thanks for the honest, direct feedback. Considering the ups and downs in the past, your review was very articulate and well presented.

FWIW, in response to Even the systems of such WC ancestors as Leung Jan and Yip Man are seen as impure and demonstrably inferior, as matters of scientific fact since they do not implement the HFY “formula”…

The argument of impure is valid if it can be established that HFY is the original form of Wing Chun. This is the current position of the VTM given the information collected to date. This could change in the future based on new information.

As for “demonstrably inferior” I believe the thrust of the book was more in the vein of “demonstrably inefficient” - which can be demonstrated as HFY implements a formula to measure efficiency. The Ip Man lineage method for measuring efficiency = ?.

I think calling it the “HFY formula” is more accurate

For people that are not in the HFY lineage, it makes sense to call it the “HFY Formula”. However, would you grant that the members of the HFY lineage, in referring to their own concept, are fully within their right to call their formula “The Wing Chun Formula”?

And, as always, the “hate-ahs” gotta come out swinging, ya?

Hendrik with: IMHO, If memory serve I have seen the “pole” somewhere from Non WCK lineage. may be some old chinese magazine had it also…

(and then concludes with I belive the existance of every lineage has a meaning and respectable. Thus, I am not attacking any lineages but critic the content of a book… come on Hendrik, you a hate-ah, playa’ so just come on out and admit it. You can’t denigrate the information on HFY in the book without also denigrating the lineage).

Rene with: Phoenix - I think I know the articles you mean. One was New Martial Hero, the other Wulin. I think there was an English article too a few years back. I’ll catch you offlist.

(for a political to come out an make such a statement… trying to draw people into an altercation? or revealing your true nature?)

FYI, the phrase “Hung Mun Saat Gwan, Hei Yin Chan” is not unique to HFY. The phrase and the Kuen Kuit are actually kinda common in the Southern systems of kung fu. The difference is in the experience - the training and the application. Take the phrase “Tan Sau” for example. Lots of Wing Chun lineage make use of the phrase - but looking at the training and application, there’s a world of difference. The Lin Kuen (practice fist skills) is different. In the HFY lineage, rather than Lin Kuen, we Sau Faat (cultivate reality). Even in this difference of phrase is differnet thinking, different experience (note I didn’t say superior). So, while there may be articles out, what’s the experience behind the information? We all have taan/bong/fuk - what’s the experience that supports it? Looking only at postures is considered “skin and bones” type thinking (a Lin Kuen approach). Looking at the experience “marrow” type thinking (a Sau Faat approach).

Jeremy R.

This latest post by whoever passingthrough is is just too over the top, - once again - by someone in the HFY crowd…so it’s time for the gloves to come off…I was going to wait until after reading the book before going public with this…but…

THERE IS A HUGE HOLE IN THE HFY FORMULA…that needs to be addressed right now.

I’ve been watching the first friendship seminar tape wherein at one point Garrett Gee is in a left neutral side stance vs. Benny Meng’s right front stance (and Benny is going to throw a straight right hand at Gee’s face)…wherein Gee explains that according to the HFY formula he (Gee) should turn into a right neutral side stance so that his lead hand (Gee’s right) would be closer to Meng’s face as a strike while Gee uses a left tan sao to block/deflect Men’s right hand straight lead punch…

This rationale only takes into account a few trees and ERRONEOUSLY dismisses the rest of the forest..because since Gee is now moving into Meng’s “open side” he (Gee) is now in great jeopardy of being KNOCKED OUT by Meng’s rear cross - at the very moment that Gee is attempting to land his first blow with his right hand. (Instead of immediately throwing the rear cross after the right hand lead - Meng’s left hand is just dangling down by his side)…

The TWC way of going to the blindside of Meng by starting out in a left neutral stance is a far superior strategy than the one Gee proposes - as the possible rear cross should be taken into consideration as part of ANYONE’S FORMULA in such a scenario…it is much easier to deal with the situation from the blindside right neutral side (which is the “parallel-arm” position - to use TWC parlance) as opposed to the “cross-arm” position that Gee advocates..

because Meng’s own lead right leg being inside and the TWC man’s left leg being to Meng’s outside makes it twice as hard for Meng to land the rear cross then in the scenario Gee proposes..(because Meng’s left is now too far away)…

and as a final thought the TWC man should pak-cheun Meng’s punch while traveling north-west (meaning that the TWC guy slap blocks with his left and immediately slides his right biu sao out from underneath his own left elbow area while stepping up and toward Men’g right flank))… and hitting Meng with his left while being in perfect positon to block out Meng’s rear cross with the cheun sao (the TWC man’s right hand).