Originally posted by truewrestler …how does that explain San-Shou in China looking like Kickboxing + Wrestling?
For the same reason Muay Thai does’nt look like Kung Fu or Karate and why MMA does’nt like like either also.San Shou is geared towards…Well san Shou! They focus on certain techniques and with a sport frame work.Most San Shou ppl in China “are not” traditional chinese martial artist.They have coaches that train them on the techniques that better serve them in a San Shou type match.
Since most fight against other San shou fighters or Muay Thai fighters what would you expect San shou to look like?
For the same reason Muay Thai does’nt look like Kung Fu or Karate and why MMA does’nt like like either also.San Shou is geared towards…Well san Shou! They focus on certain techniques and with a sport frame work.Most San Shou ppl in China “are not” traditional chinese martial artist.They have coaches that train them on the techniques that better serve them in a San Shou type match.
Since most fight against other San shou fighters or Muay Thai fighters what would you expect San shou to look like?
I totally see the logic in that. I also see the logic that all of those ranges/techniques are present in Kung-Fu thus people should simply have to refine the specific technique allowed. Who would have thunk that refining Kung-Fu for a broad sport like MMA would make Kung-Fu no longer look like Kung-Fu. Do you understand where I’m coming from?
Originally posted by jmd161
[B]The point of my post was not that it’s not real kung fu.The point is would you expect to see a boxer just boxing in a NHB type match?
I would think not i could be wrong though?
If you know you’re going into a match that focus is on punching,kicking,takedowns,and throwing.Why would you only train boxing?
Does’nt it make sense to train kickboxing and wresteling techniques for San Shou?
Originally posted by truewrestler Who would have thunk that refining Kung-Fu for a broad sport like MMA would make Kung-Fu no longer look like Kung-Fu. Do you understand where I’m coming from?
truewrestler,
I understand where you’re comming from.But answer me this.
What does kung fu look like?
Punches,kicks,or wresteling is not considered kung fu?
Who would have thunk that refining Kung-Fu for a broad sport like MMA would make Kung-Fu no longer look like Kung-Fu. Do you understand where I’m coming from?
I consider this to be Kung-Fu. I thought you were saying that this was just said this was bad Kung-Fu? I thought you said that kung-fuers who do not drill moves and make them there own will revert to kickboxing. However, at the end you go on to say that Sifu Abel say if a kung-fuer’s kickboxing is good then they are using their kung-fu. I’m just very confused by all of this
Originally posted by jmd161
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truewrestler,
I understand where you’re comming from.But answer me this.
What does kung fu look like?
Punches,kicks,or wresteling is not considered kung fu?
The hands making a little difference, but the circular motion is one thing that people always remark as distinctive.. when applied in a fight, can still look like “kick boxing”..
The thing is, when you are practicing striking… you are kicking and punching.. which remarkable as it is, is the essence of kickboxing as well.
Its not about doing kung fu vs. kickboxing. Its when the fight degrades to a sloppy brawl that it is deemed “bad”.
I mean really, when you see a KF form , its all striking, kicking and such.
The kung fu is in the details. Not the fact that he’s punching, but what are the subtlties of the punch. What are his strategies of footwork, defense and control of the opponenet. Is he a close fighter ala wing chun, is he a distance fighter ala longfist. Does he draw alot like mantis. Does he throw ala shuai jao. Are his punches short and quick or broad and power oriented. This is where you find kung fu in a kickboxing match.
Originally posted by harkfu Kick boxing- Using the classical or typical boxing hand positions(John L. Sullivan, Jack Johnson, and Joe Lewis) together with kicks.( front, back, side and round)
By this logic, Taekwon-Do is Kickboxing, plus a couple more kicks. It’s not though.
What i was saying was not intended as a knock against kickboxing.What i was trying to say is that many kung fu,karate,taekwondo,etc…striking arts practice kicks,punches,strikes.when you learn these techniques they become part of your sparring.If you spar without a real knowledge of the techniques.Then you are going to pretty much kickbox.By that i mean you’re going to punch and kick ,but there won’t be any real technique behind the kicking and punching. Pretty much you’re just waling away.
But if the person has a grasp of their techniques? You will notice a difference within their kickboxing.You will notice more crisp techniques as well as the usage of range and other factors.Even if a person is kickboxing,fighting MMA,san shou whatever…If they have a grasp or their techniques? And have drilled them and made them apart of themself? No matter what type of sparring or fighting they do.You will be able to pick out techniques within their fighting.
Even if that person is a kung fu stylist in a boxing match.You will notice within their fighting. Techniques that they learned within their kung fu training.The thing is that just because a person is kickboxing does not mean they are not using their kung fu training.But at the sametime because they are kickboxing also does not mean that they are using any kung fu techniques.
Dose that better explain what i was trying to say?
