[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1020885]Hopping around (fire strategy) is one of the 5 elements fighting strategies. It has value to be used to against a “metal” strategy fighter. The earth strategy (solid stance) is not the only strategy that a Kung Fu guy will fight. A good Kung Fu fighter should be able to switch his strategies when needed.[/QUOTE]
Nice!
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1020889]Perhaps “hopping” around strategy exists in other styles of kung fu I am not aware of, but what according to what I have been taught in Wing Chun and Chow Gar, it is something that you just don’t do.
I was also taught that this was a common approach in authentic kung fu training.[/QUOTE]
HW108, I appreciate your zeal for tradition, however it should be like the tail of a kite that allows you to fly with more stability rather than like an anchor that drags you down and inhibits your growth and development.
Just because something is not found in your experience or in another traditional system does not mean it is not of value. Take the ideas and explore them, if they work for you great, if not discard them but keep them in your mind for the future in the event you find use for them as your experience grows.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1020907]
Metal - use your elbow, knee to meet your opponent’s kicks and punches (Hong Gar).
Wood - use long range round house kick, side kick, spin back kick, … to kick your opponent from distance (TKD).
Water - Defensive fighter, only response to the outside force (Aikido).
Fire - Offensive fighter, hop around, good foot work, hard to predict what will happen next (boxer).
Earth - excellent defense, move in slowly (Kempo).
It’s not difficult to figure out why one can be used to against another. For example.
- When a TKD guy kicks, you drop your elbow on his ankle or instep, meet you shin bone against his leg (cut into his legs), after he can’t kick you any more, it will be your turn.
- Also when a guy likes to use his sharp elbow and shin bone to meet your kicks o punches, if you use strong defense, move in slowly, don’t throw any long rang attack, you will put the metal fighter in a helpless situation (nothing to cut).
- It’s not hard to finish the rest of the 5 elements relationship.[/QUOTE]
Nicely organized!
[QUOTE=bawang;1020908]youknowwho sometime you say very strange things. im scare. where is that five element from? what style kung fu u do???[/QUOTE]
In the event these definitions are of his own invention, so what? Even the ancients had to come up with their own categories, stratagems and methods of explaining the principles they taught. Everything was invented by someone!
Do not judge the ideas based upon where they came from; judge them based upon their own merits. If you disagree, argue against the principles themselves, not the person presenting them.
I find nothing wrong with his categorization of these principles. The labels used are arbitrary from a philosophical perspective anyway.
And I have used almost everything he has mentioned myself in differing circumstances. It is of benefit to be versatile!
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1020910]We have to look at it that way if we have experience only in one or two styles. However, both styles that I have studied have a comprehensive approach to combat, yet we did not have hopping taught to us as a strategy.[/quote]
That is well and good, but that does not, in and of itself, mean it may not be effective under some circumstances. It is best to keep it in mind. I agree it is generally an unstable method of moving, but it is quicker. Historically speaking, I have tended to use both as the occasion dictated, often within the same sparring match.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1020910]In my humble opinion each genuine kung fu style has infinite possibilities within its “boundaries”, which will include its principles and concepts, which in my case do not allow for hopping around during fighting.[/quote]
Again, that does not mean it is not of any value at all, only that you find no value in it.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1020910]In both of my Southern Styles, we don’t back up. When an attack is perceived then we move FORWARD instantly and FAST (not inch by inch) and “do the guy in”.[/quote]
Backing up may be useful tactic at times. Do not disregard it completely just because it is not taught within your chosen styles.
Arguably two of the best Japanese swordsmen in history were Yagu Munenori who could disarm a sword wielding opponent while he was weaponless, and Musashi Miyamoto who was said to have never been defeated in a duel and, according to himself, bested at least 60 men. These two men, who never met in a duel, employed diametrically opposed fighting strategies. Yagu waited and invited an attack, believing that the act of attacking creates an opening that will lead one to their own defeat, while Musashi practiced the blitz, overwhelming his opponent with aggression and constantly backing him up.
Each strategy has its advantages and disadvantages and each was found to be of value by noted experts in their day.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1020910]To me moving slow does not make sense. You can be attached to earth energy while moving fast as well, as long as you “sink” and are “seated”. I say this because I assume that the opponent will not necessarily, or always be waiting for one to inch his his way close to him.[/quote]
Again, it depends upon the circumstance. Moving slow may lull the opponent into a false sense of comfort, then move quickly to attack. Or move quickly and then slowly and quickly again in random alternation in order to keep the opponent guessing.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1020910]I can imagine scenarios when some TCMA stylists may hop out of range if they are in danger but hopping around like a boxer or kickboxer is not what comes to mind, as one can still be “seated” when he takes an emergency leap backward.[/QUOTE]
I agree in that, in close quarters it is very unstable. Hopping away is an effective escape tactic to create distance as is hopping forward in order to close the gap, but once one gets in close it is preferable to have a stable base.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1020912]I had stated this combat theory in some none-CMA forum, nobody was appreciated. Since this is a CMA forum, I thought I may give it a try. If this theory make sense to you, or can help you in combat, it will be yours, and you can teach others if you want to. If it doesn’t make sense to you, just ignore it. As long as one person on the internet can be benefited from this little piece of information, my keyboard time will not be wasted.[/QUOTE]
Well said!
[QUOTE=bawang;1020913]so u just make up some random sh1t and called it 5 elements?
nice *rubs testicles[/quote]
What is wrong with that? All strategies, tactics and principles were “made up” by someone!
I do not mind his categorization myself. I think they are nicely put.
Maybe you should rub your testicles more often! It might help them drop and grow some hair on them!:p:D
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1020910]i think boxing and taekwondo is the most internal and advanced fighting. the hopping around is like a taoist imm ortal floating in the air, or like the hopping of the deadly praying mantits. i call it immortal praying mantits shaolin wudang kung fu tao.. does anyone want to lern from me? 10$/lesson
im poar and i ned monies for kfc[/QUOTE]
No, but if you want to pay ME $10 per lesson, I’ll be happy to learn it from you!
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1020914]This forum looks more and more like Bullsh!ido now.[/QUOTE]
You can’t go anywhere on the internet and not run into Bullshido!
