I decided to do some more detailed work explaning how Hung Kyun can adapt and apply. They are supposed to be viewed in order Hung Gar Concepts #1 - 5… the details might make more sense in this regard.
Nobody else from the Hung Gar community has realy come forth and given out this type of information yet. Mostly it’s been forms or foundation training. Why? Because in truth, most of the schools I see out there DO NOT know how to apply their bridging concepts on NON traditional people. So they end up training forms but fighting like Kick Boxers. This is a shame in my opinion.
Do they cover everything? No of course not, these are just some simple concepts
If you like it great! If not, well you can’t please everyone. I know what works for me and I’ve got the experience to make it work.
P.S. It would be nice if someone else were to step up and try to “Up the Ante” on this and keep this going by making MORE VIDS with even better details about HUNG…kinda like what the Wing Chun guys do.
Why? Because in truth, most of the schools I see out there DO NOT know how to apply their bridging concepts on NON traditional people. So they end up training forms but fighting like Kick Boxers. This is a shame in my opinion.
no one fights like what you say. fighting isn’t as slow or organized like traditional kung fu. you must know how to do this and not be tied down by tradition.
it is more important to know to fight using the gung fu, no one said you have to act like a movie to fight. the old masters you see in video’s dont fight like this. they looks terribles.
[QUOTE=Snipsky;1195053]no one fights like what you say. fighting isn’t as slow or organized like traditional kung fu. you must know how to do this and not be tied down by tradition.
it is more important to know to fight using the gung fu, no one said you have to act like a movie to fight. the old masters you see in video’s dont fight like this. they looks terribles.[/QUOTE]
I think it must be a misunderstanding… Snipsky, I NEVER SAID fighting was slow or needed to look like a movie to fight. In fact, what i’m showing is exactly some simple concepts on how to bridge and fight using kung fu. I explain a few details as to how to enter and make it work. NO, not all of them but enough to understand…
Fighters will know exactly what i’m talking about. People who only do forms and talk allot will be the only ones to give negative comments. But i’ve expected that will happen.
I think it must be a misunderstanding… Snipsky, I NEVER SAID fighting was slow or needed to look like a movie to fight. In fact, what i’m showing is exactly some simple concepts on how to bridge and fight using kung fu. I explain a few details as to how to enter and make it work. NO, not all of them but enough to understand…
Fighters will know exactly what i’m talking about. People who only do forms and talk allot will be the only ones to give negative comments. But i’ve expected that will happen.
Great stuff Subitai. Some overlap with how I teach (which was cool to see). I really like that you have some common sense worked into how you are approaching entering (the pak/check to sau choi) was one I don’t usually teach to lead in with but liked the look of.
A common one for us might be right foot to right foot lead, back hand check their lead hand, lead hand gua chi or back fist. If they try to stop the backfist with their rear hand, so sau/kiu sau that hand across them with my rear hand, rotate into side horse and yut ji choi/vertical fist to middle or lower level, then use the rear hand to fu jow or punch to the head level. If they dont stop the back fist and get hit, you just start rushing them attacking between the various levels.
Hey Golden Arms…Of course you’d see all that, haha we study the same style.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1195113]Great stuff there Onasis. Always good stuuf comin from my kung fu brother… keep up the good work.
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Gino Thanks, and sorry to call this out but technically I’m your uncle not your brother… since family wise I learned directly from your grandteacher . It’s family respect, when I talk to Gene I try to always call him Si Hing, not because he demands it. But because I have respect for all the years he studied with Sifu. Just sayin’ you know?
It’s not a bad thing mind you..Which technically means that If I ever came out to visit your school…i’d be obligated to make sure I teach you even better than outsiders. As in my personal repetoire.
Hey Golden Arms…Of course you’d see all that, haha we study the same style.
Gino Thanks, and sorry to call this out but technically I’m your uncle not your brother… since family wise I learned directly from your grandteacher . It’s family respect, when I talk to Gene I try to always call him Si Hing, not because he damands it. But because I have respect for all the years he studied with Sifu. Just sayin’ you know?
It’s not a bad thing mind you..Which technically means that If I ever came out to visit your school…i’d be obligated to make sure I teach you even better than outsiders. As in my personal repetoire.
But yes in kung fu spirit…thanks bro!
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Yes Sibok… no pun intended… still I liked your interpretations of the movements.
Hey Golden Arms…Of course you’d see all that, haha we study the same style.
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Subitai,
It would be neat to cross paths one day, I spend a lot of my time working Pak Mei nowadays, but I will always have love and respect for Hung Gar, its truly no nonsense and functional.
That’s some good stuff there ‘O’. A couple of things i liked, mentioning the thumbless grip to extend the oppenents arm. And the opponents shoulders…one forward then the other must be further back.
At 4.29, did you use the word “(Beng) - Cracking”? I haven’t heard this term used in many TCMA styles for a long time. In this clip, I also like your “against 1 finger vs. against 4 fingers” principle. We use “against 4 fingers” for grip strength development. We use “against 1 finger” in application. Also, your downward approach at 3.15. Most people will turn against the thumb and open himself up (it’s a trap).
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;1195102]A common one for us might be right foot to right foot lead, back hand check their lead hand, lead hand gua chi or back fist. If they try to stop the backfist with their rear hand, so …[/QUOTE]
IMO, everybody should drill this entering strategy to death. It will be extreamly interest to compare different respond from different styles on this method of “open the door and then enter”. What will a boxer, MT guy, WC guy, longfist guy, Hung Chuan guy, … may respond to this?
A longfist guy may respond in the following way.
borrow the force from your back checking hand and spin his right leading arm into a haymaker.
stealing step his left foot behind his right foot and move his body to be outside of your right hand striking path.
At 4:29…I said “Bong” (it’s hard to put into English = Cantonese words anyway)…haha You would know better then me.
But in Hung Style Bong Sao is not just a block…it can be used as a Wing to break or disrupt someone’s structure. In this case we use the Bong sao to “Separate or Divide” at the elbow.
In that instance..the key element is holding his left arm out so that it is “Extended or LONG”.
What is important is the ability to “follow” the energy of my opponent. If I pull his left arm to make it LONG and he resists me…then I Follow his resist and counter his technique in the same way he is fighting me.
[QUOTE=Subitai;1220645]But in Hung Style Bong Sao is not just a block…it can be used as a Wing to break or disrupt someone’s structure. [/QUOTE]
In SC, Beng (or Bong) is also used to put pressure on the elbow joint and force him to move unwillingly. So we speak the same language as far as the Beng (or Bong) is concern.
I like it. Hung seems similar to some of the things I’ve learned. For example I learned a similar technique that you used at 1:20 you grabbed your partner left wrist and counter with a strike. At that point though, if that strike was blocked, my personally preference is to off balance the opponent by pulling on the left wrist (since I’m already got a hold on it) and to use the striking arm to put pressure on the elbow joint (hopefully wrenching it).
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1220644]IMO, everybody should drill this entering strategy to death. It will be extreamly interest to compare different respond from different styles on this method of “open the door and then enter”. What will a boxer, MT guy, WC guy, longfist guy, Hung Chuan guy, … may respond to this?
A longfist guy may respond in the following way.
borrow the force from your back checking hand and spin his right leading arm into a haymaker.
stealing step his left foot behind his right foot and move his body to be outside of your right hand striking path.[/QUOTE]
Those are both responses I have come across, the stealing step less often than the hook/haymaker. We often parry the haymaker in that situation with a movement that looks like talking on a telephone/hair combing backwards, the rest is situational at that point depending on how both people are moving.
( I saw another guy joke on you about that phrase)