Actually, I always inform al students including top-notch fighters the limitations of foolish hand fighters. Yes, we kick and punch in the ring like anyone. No, we try to kill in the street without regard. I have trained my whole life with a ground fighter who I grew up with. I have also enjoyed Army hand-to-hand training at the advanced level. The fact is those that rely on controlling the fight on the ground in combat, end up dead. That is why in Wutang they train bodyguards to dispatch on contact or for you to set up you’re your partner to kill (you lose your life in the process). However, some people cannot accept their overall ineffectiveness with hands and feet in the real world.
You people have to calm down it is a fact that you will not beat a bullet. please look to Japan historically, or our own ancestors in the 1900 boxer rebellions. The gun beats IRON BODY. So…. ufc ifc wefc wwf www. ftw or san shou all amount toooo , sport Sport SPORT. Face it… live long and be healthy or as Earth Dragon would say “be well” (not at the far end of a shell).
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sorry it took so long to confirm i was coaching fighters etc at a event over the three day weekend
MMA versus CMA…lol… Who cares? Both do what they do and that is that (could I be more vague?)
Here’s some advice on how to size it up. Teacher, student, and finally style. A good teacher is first because he/she will lead to all doors that you need opened. Student is second because you must put in the blood, sweat, and tears it takes to do it and do it right. And style is third because it is merely the vehicle you use to get to whatever your destination may be. No style is superior to another. Find a good teacher and train hard. When I first met my previous sifu he said to me,
“Learn to eat bitter.”
I love this quote because it encompasses everything that kungfu is to me. As far as who would win a fight, it just depends on [B]EVERYTHING[B]. Speaking of which, I’m off to work out.
I remember Joel Sutton, he was seriously tough.
Why do more KF people not do UFC? MMA attracts a certain type of competitor, and these people tend to be drawn to the more competitive disciplines in the first place.
Also, the early “style on style” UFCs were quite weighted, with some top notch grappling talent and a bunch of has beens and nobodies on the striking front. The only world class stand up fighter I can think of in the first 5 UFCs was Orlando Weit, and he was only a middle weight and lost to a 300lb JJJ fighter, which proved what exactly? Once guys like Vovchanchin came through who could do both well, the format evolved into MMA. So now the guys who do well train for it specifically and have experience standing and on the ground. So you may as well ask “how come more shot putters don’t do the 100 metres?”
Here, here!!! I don’t know about other schools, but every one I’ve ever studied at or even visited taught that to be able to use a techinque in real life you must train it for real. And if you don’t train with control, you maim your training partners. Not good.
If you can control yourself enough to turn a ridge hand strike to the neck into a palm strike to the chin in training, you should be able to do that fighting in a venue, yes?
On another track… Did you watch this weeks TUF2? The fighter for the green team was using some very traditional techniques such as distracting his opponant from getting a triangle choke by slapping his face with the trapped arm. That was perfectly leagal and very much a common stratagy in any traditional cirriculem.
This being the case, modifying your techniques for the ring should be easy enough, right?
No, we try to kill in the street without regard. I have trained my whole life with a ground fighter who I grew up with. I have also enjoyed Army hand-to-hand training at the advanced level. The fact is those that rely on controlling the fight on the ground in combat, end up dead. That is why in Wutang they train bodyguards to dispatch on contact or for you to set up you’re your partner to kill (you lose your life in the process). However, some people cannot accept their overall ineffectiveness with hands and feet in the real world.
Not really. that’s just as big of a misconception as the grapplers who say that ALL fights end up on the ground. I’ve been in fights that ended up on the ground, and recently posted my account of the most recent one that happened at a bar I work at. I lived to tell about it… That said, I don’t advocate immediately going to the ground, but in some instances you can’t help it, and in others, it is actually the best option.
You people have to calm down it is a fact that you will not beat a bullet. please look to Japan historically, or our own ancestors in the 1900 boxer rebellions. The gun beats IRON BODY. So…. ufc ifc wefc wwf www. ftw or san shou all amount toooo , sport Sport SPORT. Face it… live long and be healthy or as Earth Dragon would say “be well” (not at the far end of a shell).
and you people have to realize that the “traditional” moniker doesn’t automatically equate to super lethal. FWIW, it’s TaiChiBob that says “be well”
sorry it took so long to confirm i was coaching fighters etc at a event over the three day weekend
That guy on the ultimate fighter Luke is a total kungfu guy. He pounded that Bjj guy. I haven’t heard anything about that on the forums. They even had like a horse stance contest and he outlasted everyone of those muscleheads.
In mma the athletes in there practice and perform the techniques and styles that will give them the highest percenatage of Winning.
THey also practice and train at a high intensity in a more concentrated area.
Aolt of the training in kung fu is 1- diverse ( culture,philisophy, health plus the striking etc) and 2- in some things that could take along time to be effective if you ever get it right
The average martial arts practitioner ( kung fu,karate whatever)doesnt train in a way that will give him a good chance of winning a mma fight or a muay thai fight.
Forget about the rules of mma,
how many martial arts schools spend the entire class , every class just doing conditioning and combination drills for fighting?
To perform like a professional fighter you have to train like one it doesnt matter what style you use.
Imagine you trained in the manner of a professional fighter (your particular style) all the time.
seven star said “This being the case, modifying your techniques for the ring should be easy enough, right?”
my students are in the ring my comment was that being god in the ring is not the end all.
they need to understand the limitations of those fool enough to fight with their hands as i said.
i dont advocate fighting with hands use a knife or better yet a gun then there are no more “uh what if he has a weapon” doesnt matter if he has a weapon if someone attacks me for whatever reason outside the sport or controlled agreed contact i consider it my life or theirs. that is why hand fighters are foolish cause i consider all situations (now that i am grown with a family) deadly situations and i will shoot them.
god gave of minds for innovation, im sure the army dont decide to go into battle using wwII weapons just becasue they train with one in their spare time why would anyone actually fight in real life with their hands? (excluding those young and dumb as i was once and fought who knows close to a hundred fifty times? god d++n i hurt now and thank god im still alive)
In the first editions of the UFC there were a LOT more “fighters” than there were grapplers. Check out the very first UFC and you will see a guy lose a tooth (spinning off into the crowd) to a roundhouse kick. However, the BIG thing about the UFC that sort of “discriminates” against stand up fighters is that the UFC is one-on-one. Throw all of those fighters into a ring at once and see how long the grappler lasts when he goes into a lengthy clench. This is why grappling (without any other means of self defense) is less usefull in the real world than it is in the UFC…Mr Billy Bad-A$$ at the local Bruiser Bar picks a fight- you grapple him into a submission hold and convince him the error of his ways. But what if Billy has 3 friends waiting around the other side of the pool table? You will be down on the ground while his buddies kick and pummel you mercilessly.
UFC is ABOUT the best we can get to a “true street fight” without setting up a Gladiator Arena…however, it is set up to favor a particular KIND of fighter. I will almost guarantee that even the grapplers in the UFC have some other training as well as grappling training, though. So, you may wanna check out some of their Bios and see if they have a background in Kung Fu…
Professional even amatuer level fighters train at a higher intensity level, longer workouts, more repetitions etc.
In other words alot of martial artists arent training enough to be able to pull off some of the stuff they want to pull off.
How many times does a boxer practice combo x so that at just the right moment he can pull it off, with speed, power and accuracy?
I dont believe the UFC/mma question is really about rules or gloves etc, its about practice, and intensity particularly if you are in a situation against a serious committed attacker.
Are people training hard to beat the average out of shape, non trained person or training hard enough to deal with someone in shape with at least as much training as you , and as much maybe more committment to hurt you?
I see comments like this a lot but, not picking on you personally, how many carry a gun or knife everywhere they go?
Obviously you can’t predict when you will be attacked in the street so you would have to carry all the time. So what do peeps in California, New York, New Jersey and other states that don’t support concealed carry do?
People are a little too quick to say use a gun. The majority of the population does not have a gun readily accessible at any given time. And even if you are licensed what will you do if you happen to be visiting in NY or DC?
For that reason alone it’s a good idea to be able to fight with your body weapons alone.
"Apparently Sifu Darkfist carries heat wherever he goes.
Then again Sifu Darkfist says lots of stuff. "
I do not understand when this became a place for personal attacks lol
but i let you have your fun. Truth is i do period no questions no b s. but it is understandable if you dont take my word for it.
Also i thought forums were for saying things? otherwise why even come here. we come to say and listen. with debate we attack issues not people. if you dont agree with me on the gun thing just go to jetli.com he agrees entirely.
it is not my first choice it is reality. i wish there was no violence i wish people could never die and leave children and wives behind. This wish will never come true I wont be that guy if i can help it.
Not good.
