Someone said in another post, “BAk Mei is not a complete art beause it doesn’t have grappling and ground figting.”
I’ve heard that same comment applied to kung fu in general. Why doesn’t anyone ever comment on how grappling styles lack the advanced striking methods that kung fu styles like bak mei have. Every K1/Pride fight i’ve ever seen featured a grappler that had “striking skills” but really only had rudimentary boxing skills.
Kung fu has grappling…but it is dressed up differently than the way styles like aikido and jujutsu do. IMHO, kung fu grappling is a hell of a lot more advanced than all of that aikido/jujutsu stuff put together.
kung fu doesnt need grappling when used correctly. 
:o
what do you mean?
Of course kung fu needs grappling…but not the Steven Seagal type.
Skin ripping, muscle tearing nerve pinking…testicle grabbing…etc. Those are all grappling moves. Grappling isn’t just taking someone by the wrist and having him or her dance around in a circle while you control them.
Well, I do believe grappling can be necessary and beneficial, and I as a Kung-Fu practitioner would like to learn some ground-fighting principles, but only to the extent that it would help me to get back on my feet if I got taken down so I can keep punching and kicking. It may sound a$$inine, but I would rather break teeth/noses than have some sweaty freak pawing at me while rolling on the ground like I’m his prison cellmate. But if it did happen, it would help to know what to do to get back up. So I can hopefully knock out some more teeth and get in a couple good shots to the family jewels.
Re: what do you mean?
Originally posted by travelsbyknight
Skin ripping, muscle tearing nerve pinking…testicle grabbing…etc. Those are all grappling moves. Grappling isn’t just taking someone by the wrist and having him or her dance around in a circle while you control them.
exactly, kung fu has a ton of china-na.
LOL, This how these discussions almost always start; a traditionalist making a claim about MMA.
IMHO, kung fu grappling is a hell of a lot more advanced than all of that aikido/jujutsu stuff put together.
Pure comedy there.
LOL I liked the bit about the “advanced stricking skills of kung fu”
Yet you put a “master of kung fu” in a fight and they just throw haymakers till they fall over then brawl on the floor or tap out depending on if they are fighting a BJJ guy or not.
cuz bjj is teh invicnebles!!!
:rolleyes:
master of kung fu
I’ve never seen a televised fight involving a bjj player and a supposed master of kung fu. Was this person a self proclaimed master of kung fu…or did he order his belt from the back of a cereal box?
Which master was that again?
for those of you who think bjj is something “new” or is a “mma”
think again… it ain’t and it never said it was. it has come to emphasize the ground play but…
http://frota-team.com.br/martialarts.php
anyway, if you check out the gracies site, they will pretty much corrobarate (sp?) to that end.
cheers
its true that kung fu in general lacks any real good grappling arts. I don’t know why that is, but its the good old truth. and as for the “advanced striking skills” of kung fu- get over it, there are few punches that will work in a fight. I do kung fu and muay thai, and apart from “the four” (jab, cross, hook, uppercut) there is maybe 4-5 other hand strikes of any use. if you want good technical punchers who can grapple, go watch Bas Rutten or Mirko Cro Cop.
grappling is an essential part of fighting and something that I unfortunately have no access to (I live in a fairly small town- closest decent grappling class is at least 2 hours drive) and I think any well rounded fighter should at least know the basics.
Re: master of kung fu
Originally posted by travelsbyknight
I’ve never seen a televised fight involving a bjj player and a supposed master of kung fu. Was this person a self proclaimed master of kung fu…or did he order his belt from the back of a cereal box?
I did not refer to a televised fight, but if you need to see video of just how bad kung fu masters are just do search on this forum.
It is considered a sin in our school to deem the style, “complete.”
We specialize in hand to hand. I have yet to see better hand skills. But we train the hell out of the ground, too.
Let’s just forget the street for a second. We’re all martial artist right. Let’s say you’re the top student in your school and a BJJ brown belt comes in and says, I want to see how you guys handle the mount. What are you going to say? We don’t do that!
The Artist in martial artist doesn’t meen pretty to me, it means being a master of the craft and being able to beat the ground fighter on the ground, handle the kicker’s kick and the boxer’s punching.
If you don’t know it all you are incomplete as a fighter (as one should always look at themselves because when do you have enough?). All styles are incomplete! How is BJJ weapon’s: the pole, the knife, the sword? Don;t say you can’t find short, medium and long sticks or pipes out there. It’s all relevant. Many of my training brothers carry knives and so do I.
Originally posted by EvolutionFist
[B]It is considered a sin in our school to deem the style, “complete.”
We specialize in hand to hand. I have yet to see better hand skills. But we train the hell out of the ground, too.
(snip)
The Artist in martial artist doesn’t meen pretty to me, it means being a master of the craft and being able to beat the ground fighter on the ground, handle the kicker’s kick and the boxer’s punching.
How is BJJ weapon’s: the pole, the knife, the sword? Don;t say you can’t find short, medium and long sticks or pipes out there. It’s all relevant. Many of my training brothers carry knives and so do I. [/B]
Indeed. I feel a large part of being “effective” in your art is learning what your art can and can not do, then realising what other people can and can not do then acting accordingly.
Not so sure about the weapons thing though. I mean yes you can find short, medium and long weapons on the street (I regularly carry a 7 foot long metal pole with a sharp tip with me) but how much skill does it take to subdue an attacker with a 3 foot long stick, and how much training time should you put into this?
Originally posted by EvolutionFist
The Artist in martial artist doesn’t meen pretty to me, it means being a master of the craft and being able to …
I just love that first part.
I’d probably reword the second part as “…able to carry out your gameplan regardless of the range (punching, kicking, wrestling, grappling)”.
Nice one
I would change it to that, too.
For me: maintain a strong structure, get position/control, then hit. That’s the game plan.
