[QUOTE=eyecbatty;882334]Just Started Training about 6 weeks ago..I Live in Queens New York
I’m Training Under Sifu William Moy in Bayside Queens..He’s Great..extremely Knowledgeable and answers all my questions which I like..lol
school is small about 6 to 10 people at most at times..Everyone is super helpful and takes the time to help develop you
I’m learning a lot..never did any martial art before..but I’m athletic and weight train..
I Finished learning Siu Nim Do form which is unique to the Moy Yat schools its like a introductory form..and I’m almost finish learning Siu Nim Tau..
I went through Pak sau and Pak Da drills and been doing Lap Sau for about 2 weeks now..I’m in no rush for chi sao yet..I wanna nail down the basics
Anyone else here trains in Moy Yat schools? Anybody with experiences wit Moy Yat or my sifu? Just like to see who else is in the Family[/QUOTE]
There are quite a few of us around here who trace lineage to the Moy Yat family of Wing Chun. Give them a few days and I’m sure they’ll pop out of the woodwork.
I, like many up here in Canada, can trace my lineage through Moy Yat’s student Dunn Wah (Sunny Tang). Website here: http://www.sunnytang.com/
I don’t have any personal experience with Sifu William Moy, nor his father other than videos and stories that have been passed down. My Wing Chun is three people removed from Moy Yat. I’m glad you’ve found something you like and a school that resonates with you. Keep us posted on your learning path. The Siu Nim Do form does seem unique as it was not taught to me through the transmission. Maybe you could ask your Sifu when the inception of the form was.
Eyecbatty, I know your Sifu well. He is very good and very honorable. You are in good hands. Sigung Moy Yat’s “way” was to allow you to discover the Kung Fu from within. Thus, you will hear stories of how he did not play hands with his students, but yet there are many very good students under his teachings. One must realize that the Kung Fu is a foundation for your learning, not the absolute. So don’t become an expert at Ving Tsun, but an expert at your own Kung Fu and fully utilize what Moy Yat Ving Tsun has to offer. Move forward with an empty cup. Realize that things you hear now may make sense down the line.
Our family has a reputation for being “philosophical”. However, everyone is free to pursue their goals. If fighting and combat is your goal, then you must do your homework to use the principles of Ving Tsun to support this. Fighting and sparring is not part of our “curriculum”, but it’s components are there. Sigung used to say “if you think you are good, then you are good…”. How good you are will be judged by you, and you must believe that you are always getting better. So continue on the path towards whatever you want to get out of your Kung Fu experience. Spend time with your Sifu, in and outside the mo kwoon. Don’t judge others, but keep an eye out for something that might be learned.
[QUOTE=Lindley;882589]Eyecbatty, I know your Sifu well. He is very good and very honorable. You are in good hands. Sigung Moy Yat’s “way” was to allow you to discover the Kung Fu from within. Thus, you will hear stories of how he did not play hands with his students, but yet there are many very good students under his teachings. One must realize that the Kung Fu is a foundation for your learning, not the absolute. So don’t become an expert at Ving Tsun, but an expert at your own Kung Fu and fully utilize what Moy Yat Ving Tsun has to offer. Move forward with an empty cup. Realize that things you hear now may make sense down the line.
Jay[/QUOTE]
I think this was realized with his (Sigung Moy Yat) lesson on teaching a method without a method. A very hard concept to get across but worth the effort. Like learning to talk…
There’s a clip at the beginning of Sigung Moy Yat’s Siu Nim Tao video that shows him and some of his students finishing the creation of Siu Nim Do. I’m not sure what year that was, looks like maybe mid to late 80’s.
I believe they created it because there was a feeling at the time that a beginning American Student couldn’t appreciate all that is in Siu Nim Tao, and would get bored. They wanted to give them a taste of some more advanced techniques (lop da, poi jeang, kicks, etc) prior to starting to learn Siu Nim Tao.
We no longer teach it at our Mokwoon, but several of my Sihing know it.
Good luck in your kung fu and welcome to the family.
I’ve also was a student of sifu Moy Yat back in the early 80’s.. I was not there very long but I’ve learned some of the basics and it was my first real experience in learning Gong Fu. Good luck in your training..
[QUOTE=sandman;882684]I believe they created it because there was a feeling at the time that a beginning American Student couldn’t appreciate all that is in Siu Nim Tao, and would get bored. They wanted to give them a taste of some more advanced techniques (lop da, poi jeang, kicks, etc) prior to starting to learn Siu Nim Tao.[/QUOTE]
It was created for children, not Americans.
… though some may believe there is not enough difference between the two.
I met Moy Yat years ago when he came over to London , He popped into say hello to my old sifu V Kan. He walked in [ didnt know him then] and grabbed an object off the table we kept our weights and hand ‘stuff’, like he was stealing it, while we all stopped training to take it all in very subtle 6’ 6" ? guy walking in ;), nice guy did chi-sao with his entourage , good time.
I sadly also attended his funeral in Chinatown , later whenI opened the branch NY for V Kan . Nice guy.
[QUOTE=eyecbatty;882334]Just Started Training about 6 weeks ago..I Live in Queens New York
I’m Training Under Sifu William Moy in Bayside Queens..He’s Great..extremely Knowledgeable and answers all my questions which I like..lol
school is small about 6 to 10 people at most at times..Everyone is super helpful and takes the time to help develop you
I’m learning a lot..never did any martial art before..but I’m athletic and weight train..
I Finished learning Siu Nim Do form which is unique to the Moy Yat schools its like a introductory form..and I’m almost finish learning Siu Nim Tau..
I went through Pak sau and Pak Da drills and been doing Lap Sau for about 2 weeks now..I’m in no rush for chi sao yet..I wanna nail down the basics
Anyone else here trains in Moy Yat schools? Anybody with experiences wit Moy Yat or my sifu? Just like to see who else is in the Family[/QUOTE]
Hey there, sorry I missed this thread.
I have done Moy Yat under Tang and Nelson Chan here in the Toronto area, while I no longer “label” myself to a particular system, I still train many of the key principles of WC that have stayed with me all these years.
I first started WC back in 86 and it was great.
I have been exposed to various forms of WC since then, all “the same” and all “different”.
Enjoy your trip but if there is one thing I advice, and I give this to all that train ANY MA for fighting, even if you are not interested in cross training other MA, to cross “fight” other MA, hook up with some guys from different MA and try out your stuff on them.
Hello eyecbatty,
My advice to you is that before you even think about crosstraining or “trying your stuff” against other schools, you should first gain a thorough understanding of what you are learning. This may take a little while as kung fu styles, by nature, take longer to make functional.
Otherwise, you may be in danger of being impressed by mediocricity.
Once you better understand kung fu then you may not feel the need to crosstrain in none TCMAs and might even find that you might gain more by “crosstraining” in other kung styles, that is, once you have first completed your WC studies (on a technical level) or at least when your WC studies are close to an end.
very subtle 6’ 6" ? guy walking in ;), nice guy did chi-sao with his entourage , good time.