the leg lock I was referring to is ashi garami. However, I just did a search and found others:
ASHI-GARAMI (Entangled Leg Lock)
ASHI-KANNUKI (Leg Bolt Lock)
HIZA-HISHIGI (Knee Crush)
HIZA-TORI-GARAMI (Entwined Legs Lock)
KATA-ASHI-HISHIGI (Single Leg Crush)
RYO-ASHI-HISHIGI (Double Leg Crush)
TATE-SHIHO-HIZA-HISHIGI (Lengthwise Four Quarters Knee Crush)
check this out.
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As you probably alredy knew, judo has leg locks but does not use them in shiai (competiton)and finding a judoka who teaches them is rare indeed. since they haven’t ben part of the kodokan training since before WWII although I’m sure they’re are some who kept it alive (the sambo/ judo connection was probably key in this)
I think that’s unfortunate. I’m wondering if the techniques will eventually just become lost to the world of judo.
As you probably alredy knew, judo has leg locks but does not use them in shiai (competiton)and finding a judoka who teaches them is rare indeed.
Can I ask how many DAN ranked judoka are here?
Because I DO teach leg locks (ore was nidan desu) so I don’t know where this statement comes from.
Good info everyone. Thank SevenStar for the links.
I hate to keep asking but does anyone have any ideas or opinions about www.iglou.com/toshi 
From what I understand, there is a pretty strong competition level with Judo around the US and abroad. Has anyone ever competed in Japan?
After looking at Judo Info I can see a strong resemblance with that BJJ has with Judo.
Any more info you all want to post? I am like a dry sponge:eek:
Has anyone ever competed in Japan?
Yes but in grade school.
out of the 10 or son dan guys I know, the one that knows leg locks learned them in Sambo.
cipher, do a search for judo on this forum - I know we’ve posted links to other judo sited on here before, but judo info is by far the best I’ve seen. there’s enough info there to keep your sponge soaking for a while. 
three 2nd degree black belts, a fourth degree a fifth and a sixth? some with greco roman experience also - I’d definitely check them out.
Can I ask how many DAN ranked judoka are here?
Because I DO teach leg locks (ore was nidan desu) so I don’t know where this statement comes from.
You were a much better troll at Cyberkwoon. Please go back.
lol @ “what rank are you?” you’ve spent too much time in the military. the rest of us know that rank is hardly the proving grounds for knowledge or skill (I’m probably the best newaza man at our club and its because of my bjj knowledge. I’ve choked/tapped out yodan!). rank in judo is more akin to “time served”
What was the point of your ridiculous statement? A smarmy “I’m a nidan, I know more about blah blah blah because I’m higher in rank than you!” Small minded thinking usually influenced by military types because rank keeps them controlled and orderly. Question authority? Not me sarge.
Want to impress me? tell me how many years you’ve been in judo, your IJF # and how many points you’ve won in competition.
carry on.
the statement comes from the fact that most judoka don’t use, teach or even know ellaborate leg locks. its a fact. you know them? congrats me too. and I’m not even a shodan. WOW.
I love the “fringe element” crowd. the Kosen judo, leg locking, pre WWII, combat judo crowd. what a load of ****.
Where’s the ignore function?
yeah, bjj definitely gives you an edge in judo on the ground!
oh yeah.
those same yodan have LAUNCHED me thru the air.
Judo is the more well rounded art, but groundfighting (bjj)is the more important aspect of the “game”. - Control is everything. A throw without control afterwards is worthless.
And Bjj players have good takedowns and throws as well.
You were a much better troll at Cyberkwoon. Please go back.
TROLL!?!? Hardly my skin has cleared up considerably.
The question of rank was quite obvious. Their are pple here stating things form a limited veiw point. If they haven’t gone through the curriculm then how do they know what it entails?
But hey what can I tell you . You OBVIOUSLY know all there is to it right I mean you made the statement:
I’m probably the best newaza man at our club and its because of my bjj knowledge. I’ve choked/tapped out yodan!).
Hey pot pick up the phone it’s kettle. Who wants to impress who again?
very varied…
Kodokan Judo schools in the 70s and 80s taught a well-rounded fighting art. I remember doing lots of Kihon (basics) which included dynamics of movement and posture training, Ukemi (breakfalls), Katame waza (standing locks and chokes and Newaza or “ground-techs.”), Nage waza (throwing techs), Atemi waza or “striking techs” (which was divided into Ashi- (leg), Ude-(arm), and Ate-waza or vital pt. strikes). We practiced forms called “Kata”, which divided into 6 categories (Katame no-, Kime no-, Nage no-, Ju no-, Itutsu no- and Koshiki no-Kata). Some dojos taught Kodokan Goshin Jutsu for defense against armed and unarned attack. When you reached Brown Belt you were also taught Kappo (a resuscitation art) and other basic first-aid and safety principles. You could see how it would be hard to just cocentrate on one or two aspects of the curriculum.
BJJ is very different in that throws and takedowns are simpler. Groundwork (Newaza) is the emphasis. You start from a kneeling position. A few academies teach Goshin Jutsu type self-defense (called Gracie S.D. and usually emephasized in private lessons), but kata and the other training aspects of Judo are missing. BJJ/GJJ specializes in specializing. It is more intricate than it seems, but it gives one the feeling of old style groundfighting before the Olympic format took hold.
Most Kodokan schools these days train for competiton, plain and simple. Submissions are very secondary and throws are emphasized. As for Kosen, Maeda the Japanese “Master” who passed on his knowledge to the Gracies, was purported to be a proficient Kosen stylist. I’ve never seen it anywhere before BJJ. I don’t doubt that some schools exist.
Leg-locks were totally absent. In fact, although the Gracie family did know leg-locks, they really didn’t start teaching them until fairly recently. I think Sambo and Shootfighting did a lot to show the efficacy of leg- and foot-locks. Be careful when using leg submissions in training. No base means no game! Hope I helped…
Every art has its BSers
BJJ and Judo are quite different. Cross training in both will make you a better grappler. I train in Gracie BJJ, and we have plenty of Kodoken Judo guys training with us who at the same time train in Judo. Some of our guys also train in Judo. Kung Fu, TKD, Karate, Aikido, Hapkido, etc etc. all have their share of BSers, propoganda, and politics. A true martial artists just doesn’t pay attention or care.
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hmmm anyone know of any good judo places in sydney?
what do u think would be good? do judo or bjj (bjj would definitely be with the australian division of machado brothers)
for throws, takedowns, groundwork?
friday
As for Kosen, Maeda the Japanese “Master” who passed on his knowledge to the Gracies, was purported to be a proficient Kosen stylist. I’ve never seen it anywhere before BJJ. I don’t doubt that some schools exist.
Sorry sir, but Maeda had already left Japan before this school was even founded. Maeda was just an old school judo man. (At that time “judo” was practically a jujitsu that was better organized and trained more randori.)
The BJJ that we see today is Helio’s version of the art. The art that was taught to Carlos Sr. was very Japanese in nature. Helio was a sickly child and could not perform many of the techniques. His limitations turned to technical superiority in the skills he could perform. groundwork.
Hey pot pick up the phone it’s kettle. Who wants to impress who again?
Read further before you shoot your mouth off, you missed this.
those same yodan have LAUNCHED me thru the air.
I excell in one area, I am humbled in another. I work to make the whole better.
the best?
throws - judo
takedowns - wrestling
groundwork - bjj
judo - emphasis on throws with takedowns and groundwork coming after.
wrestling - good takedowns and good base mat skills but no submissions
bjj - essential takedowns and throws and excellent groundwork.
thanks ST.
ok if i do all three then i’ll become invincible?
hehe just a theory a friend and i were throwing around one day