[QUOTE=k gledhill;1139356]amen to that…guys have half an idea about VT , then fill the other half with their own guesswork. When they teach you you don’t know any better…you learn most of your life, then find out he photo-shopped his head onto another person in a picture so he could say he was a student of_________.[/QUOTE]
Now, now Kevin, it wasn’t photoshopped. There wasn’t any photoshop program available back when that picture was made. Rather it was painstakingly faked by hand. I know, many years ago I was a “disciple” of that guy and he told me about it!
BTW in spite of all that sifu’s personal shortcomings, he had a very sophisticated understanding of WC (by whatever spelling you choose). That’s something I don’t expect you to believe, but it’s true.
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1139363]Now, now Kevin, it wasn’t photoshopped. There wasn’t any photoshop program available back when that picture was made. Rather it was painstakingly faked by hand. I know, many years ago I was a “disciple” of that guy and he told me about it!
BTW in spite of all that sifu’s personal shortcomings, he had a very sophisticated understanding of WC (by whatever spelling you choose). That’s something I don’t expect you to believe, but it’s true.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1139363]
BTW in spite of all that sifu’s personal shortcomings, he had a very sophisticated understanding of WC (by whatever spelling you choose). That’s something I don’t expect you to believe, but it’s true.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1139353]that is why having a good Sifu makes all the difference in the world. The forms don’t have everything. Knowing the kuen-kuit doesn’t teach you. Many things are passed down through the individual teachings of the Sifu.
And that depends on his own level of understanding.
This is why we see so many bad WCK people, bad Hung-Gar people, bad SPM people, bad Kenpo..bad karate…
so many “Masters,” and so few real gems.
This is also why TCMA gets a bad rap.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1139353]that is why having a good Sifu makes all the difference in the world. The forms don’t have everything. Knowing the kuen-kuit doesn’t teach you. Many things are passed down through the individual teachings of the Sifu.
And that depends on his own level of understanding.
This is why we see so many bad WCK people, bad Hung-Gar people, bad SPM people, bad Kenpo..bad karate…
so many “Masters,” and so few real gems.
This is also why TCMA gets a bad rap.[/QUOTE]
It’s not only a good Teacher that is necessary, it is a good student!!!
The Kuen Kuit is nonsense and is worshipped by stupids!
Bad people survive in all walks of life not just TCMA. It’s normal.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1139388]It’s not only a good Teacher that is necessary, it is a good student!!!
The Kuen Kuit is nonsense and is worshipped by stupids!
Bad people survive in all walks of life not just TCMA. It’s normal.
GH[/QUOTE]
A good student is def important, but at the same time, if the Sifu’s teaching or quality is not that good then even the best efforts from the most dedicated student can end up going to waste, imho.
I’m not sure why you’d think the Kuen Kit is nonsense. The majority of it is not even anything abstract or hard to believe (and i say “most” because i know some people dont appreciate anything which talks about internal energy or chi), it’s pretty much just good ideas and concepts to remember about Ving Tsun and it’s applications (whether in combat or other aspects of life).
But I’d also say that the value of the Kuen Kit is related to and dependent on the understanding and level of the reader. It seems a bit different these days because many of us now find the most common sayings from the Kuen Kit translated online, but as for Sifus who hand write and pass the Kuen Kit (most likely including family specific lines as well that are not in the kuen kit we see online) down to there students, as far as I know, this is only done once the student has reached a pretty high level, usually after completing the system.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1139338]There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the Classical Chinese Martial Arts.
You can never have freedom from “mechanical conditioning”, until you have mastered and understood it and the wisdom behind its methodology. Then and only then can you make yours, as it becomes you and you become it, in a free and flowing manner.
Methodologies that become tradition, often do so because they survive the test of time. The modern man, instead of becoming a rebel without a cause, should study and investigate, WHY, this is so!
Following the classical pattern you will understand the routine and MAKE IT YOURS, by personalizing and expanding it to your requirements, hence become yourself.
By the way, most things Bruce Lee said, has been said in Classicial TCMA concepts, principles and philosophy. ;)[/QUOTE]
Oh, yeah, I know.
TCMA=been there, done that; and now I have moved onto to my own freedom of movement.
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1139483]Can you post a videoclip or at least a picture to prove this?
…I want to see stupids worshipping the nonsensical Kuen Kuit! :D[/QUOTE]
To trivialize the wing chun kuen kuit as Graham does is tunnel vision. The kuit do not teach you directly if you are not well grounded in wing chun. But they help sharpen the understanding
after sufficient learning, practicing and understanding, I am not going to waste time and debate the obvious…
with the previous poster.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1139527]Graham, does your sifu have the same opinion as you when it comes to the Kuen Kuit? If so, when are you going to ask for your money back and move on?[/QUOTE]
Yes he does! Previously on my VT journey my money was wasted on people that share the same views on Ving Tsun as you…hardwork!
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To trivialize the wing chun kuen kuit as Graham does is tunnel vision. The kuit do not teach you directly if you are not well grounded in wing chun. But they help sharpen the understanding
after sufficient learning, practicing and understanding, I am not going to waste time and debate the obvious…
with the previous poster.[/QUOTE]
…as long as I am firing from a different side than you Joy all is well in my world. Your arrogance is no different to mine in a lot of respects.
Between HKM - Fong - to you something must have gone wrong or maybe they are just as bad. Who knows.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1139568]…as long as I am firing from a different side than you Joy all is well in my world. Your arrogance is no different to mine in a lot of respects.
GH[/QUOTE]
I don’t see arrogance in Joy’s posts, but even he were, his arrogance would have been based on actual TCMA knowledge, rather than “shooting blanks” like you do.
