i know by training the bags at the same time develop some internal power, but most chigong exercises require breathing exercises prior- but i don’t see thsi explained very much. when i did some chigong prior, and sinked into my hands, i could hit tougher material and not feel much. but not many many times before i had to do it again. you all have also heard about the dangers of not breathing- causing the energy to reverse back through your hands into your organs. i don’t know if this is true, but the main thing im concerned about protecting my hands.
well the thing is, i learned how to develop long power and this is a soft internal way and not dangerous. but to develop power to exert power in iron palm is a different story since you are hitting objects. my teacher did not recomend using die da jo, as he said if overused it can damage your nerves. this doesn’t mean it will, but if its abused yeah.. and so he didn’t really care for the idea. he told me to train very slowly( a lot more so than these programs that i see flying around) without.
best i can tell you is to find a teacher. a faster way to train is the die da jo way, wher you start with a mung bean bag, about may be 3 inches thick, and you apply this stuff onto your hands before and after. it helps protect and heal your hand.
in terms of circulating chi, you start by practicing basic chigong breathing technique and progress. this is not directly related to training. and i am not knowledgable deeply about it thats why im asking about its effects.
You MUST train with jow or you are going to hurt yourself. Mung beans are only the beginning in some schools. You progress to harder medium contained within the bags. When you hit rocks and steel shot, if you are not using jow then you are causing arthritis and rheumatism to set in. Jow and massage along with qi gong help to combat this.
Usually one stands and circulates the energy up the back and down the front before you even start to hit the bag. Apply your medicine and then hit, apply more medicine halfway through and then finish the hitting routine. Medicine again and then you stand and meditate a second time.
All 3 combine, the hitting, the medicine and the qi gong develop one to hit with internal power rather than brute force.
Its boring, time consuming and most will not keep it up as the results can be slow to see and for the for the first three months of training you cannot drink and alcohol, eat any fried food(clogs the energy pathways) or have sexual orgasms. People look at that and say no thank you.
I have been training my hands for 15 years. Drop me a pm or email me. Ill help if i can.
The jow is quite poisionous. You need to meditate and concentrate to absorb the poision in the right way otherwise it could corrupt your internal organs.
Excuse me Sir, but what is your Iron Palm background, and who was the person that told you this. I have never heard of such a thing.
A good Iron Palm formula will have a few toxic herbs in the ingredients, to pull the chi to the area that is being trained. But, it’s not going to “corrupt your internal organs”.
Poison Hand training, is very different. This you would have to be very careful with.
Vasquez feels that poisons and other toxic material can be countered by Qigong which takes years to develop( you can search this out in another thread). A rather foolish notion if taken seriously. It is obvious from his statements that he has been shown some questionable training. Benefits can be seen in months not years.
There are many types of palm training. Iron Palm, Poison Palm, fire palm etc… I know the difference but I’ve collectively referred to these as Iron palm because the knowledge base on this forum - re. internal chi kung / dim mak / zen philosophy is not that high imo
So you know the differences, but for the folks on this forum you group it all together as Iron Palm. So now my questions would be, are you trained in Iron Palm, Poison Hand, ect…? And what is your lineage? Not saying that anyone has to have “famous” teachers, but if you have a resource (a teacher that has given you so much knowledge) or perhaps numerous teachers, you easily should be able to say who they are and what was taught to you.
I think that too many times people speak on subjects that they have only heard or read little about. So they have never had the experience to make an educated statement about. Not saying that anyone here replying to this topic falls into that catagory.
Usually you do not find the two schools mixed together. Wu Dang not being a style per say but a temple on a mountain where taiji was created. Stories mostly, but myths do seem to contain seeds of truth/reality.
Lohan usually was credited to a total shaolin style. Though I have heard of Tieh Lohan Chuan developed in a temple where the master was nicknamed the iron buddha.
I have never heard of the style before, but that means nothing really. Many styles exist outside of the limelight of magazines and internet forums.
You make some interesting statements about qi and training.
Personally, I always question when someone “studied” in China. If they studied before the Communist takeover, then they must have fled the country after the Communist takover. Because everyone knows that the Communist outlawed the practice of Martial Arts.
Now many times when I question this, people tell me that they trained “underground”. Which is quite possible but, I keep hearing that. So, am I to believe that there was underground training happening all over China?
So my next question V, would be what years did your Sifu study in China?
I don’t want to come off as a jerk or anything. But, when we are in such a discussion and things are said, it’s good to clarify one’s background.
You can tell he has not REAL training as to the things he mentions that he trains in at his school with his sifu. Most of the things he has said are down right silly.
Well, he’s chinese and he’s spent his whole life in china before migrating to Australia which is where his grand children are living. Chinese are a very close knit.
There’s heaps of kung fu being taught in china. yes you can call it underground, just like there are lots of under ground churches in china today.
At a practical level, china is a big place and in the rural regions, life just goes on as usual.
Hi,
Any more info on how to train the Iron Palm, Cotton Palm, and comos Palm properly would be great, and what’s the side effects if there are any.
How do train the medatation side to circulate chi in these skills. What are the exercises involved.
Someone mentioned that he dinn’t want to talk about on the open forum and was going to pm me the details, but unfortunately the forum went down the next day and I didn’t recieved it, can you pm me again.