[QUOTE=k gledhill;1138551]Can you name a few ?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I can!
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1138568]Yes, I can![/QUOTE]
So can I. Joy’s si-fu, Augustine Fong, has taught iron palm in his WC. I learned a bit of that under one of his instructors back in '79. Then I spent a dozen years with LT who felt that iron palm was a waste of time in his WT system. Experts will disagree. I can see some logic in both points of view. Most of our hitting is frontal, centerline striking, and the wall bag is good training for that. On the other hand, there is some use of downward dropping energy, as in jut-sau, gum-sau, gaun-sau and so on. Perhaps iron palm training could be used to enhance that? Or maybe you could just spend more time on the dummy.
Personally I’d be more interested in hearing people report on what works for them and why, rather than hearing all the nitpicking and arguing between know-it-alls who are convinced that their si-fu’s word is the one and only truth! I prefer to view technique and training from a benefit vs. cost perspective rather than as “right vs. wrong”. Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1138568]Yes, I can![/QUOTE]
okay, lets hear it 
who are they ?
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1138618]okay, lets hear it who are they ?[/QUOTE]
Kevin, are you really that obtuse, or just one of this forum’s resident trolls? I gave you one example, Fong Chi Wing. Presumably, his sifu, Ho Kam Ming agreed as well. Joy could weigh in on this, as I don’t really know. My old Sifu, LT did not agree. People differ on this, even within the Yip Man lineage. What makes you think that your opinion is the only correct one?
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1138645]Kevin, are you really that obtuse, or just one of this forum’s resident trolls? I gave you one example, Fong Chi Wing. Presumably, his sifu, Ho Kam Ming agreed as well. Joy could weigh in on this, as I don’t really know. My old Sifu, LT did not agree. People differ on this, even within the Yip Man lineage. What makes you think that your opinion is the only correct one?[/QUOTE]
look in the mirror for obtuse, i wasnt asking you 
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1138645]Kevin, are you really that obtuse, or just one of this forum’s resident trolls? I gave you one example, Fong Chi Wing. Presumably, his sifu, Ho Kam Ming agreed as well. Joy could weigh in on this, as I don’t really know. My old Sifu, LT did not agree. People differ on this, even within the Yip Man lineage. What makes you think that your opinion is the only correct one?[/QUOTE]
Who is on first?
Wall bags, iron palm bags are all useful if you use them correctly and well. I have used them both for years and have no arthritis in my hands. But i don’t do hung gar iron palm or karate makiwara- don’t need to.Iron palm and bag work enables your structure including hand structure to adjust to the impact-- naturally- if done right.
Wing chun has a considerable curriculum- each part plays specific roles in development.
Also you dont have to import hooking or uppercutting from boxing–wing chun body dynamics
provides many tools… it’s a big big tool box.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1138646]look in the mirror for obtuse, i wasnt asking you ;)[/QUOTE]
Sorry Kev, my mistake. I thought you really wanted to know if anyone could “name a few” high level sifus who integrated iron palm training into their WC programs. I should have realized that you have no interest in other opinions on the topic and were just jerking people around.
Oh, and to Joy, thanks for the input on the subject. It’s nice that some folks actually use this forum to exchange information.
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1138665]Sorry Kev, my mistake. I thought you really wanted to know if anyone could “name a few” high level sifus who integrated iron palm training into their WC programs. I should have realized that you have no interest in other opinions on the topic and were just jerking people around.
Oh, and to Joy, thanks for the input on the subject. It’s nice that some folks actually use this forum to exchange information.[/QUOTE]
I was and had been quoting and asking hardwork…not you, thanks
I treat IP with obvious contempt
well aware of AF ‘plinth’ striking ideas…
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Who is on first?
Wall bags, iron palm bags are all useful if you use them correctly and well. I have used them both for years and have no arthritis in my hands. But i don’t do hung gar iron palm or karate makiwara- don’t need to.Iron palm and bag work enables your structure including hand structure to adjust to the impact-- naturally- if done right.Wing chun has a considerable curriculum- each part plays specific roles in development.
Also you dont have to import hooking or uppercutting from boxing–wing chun body dynamics
provides many tools… it’s a big big tool box.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
This is a really good and defining point on the way WC approaches IP.
This is one of the things you have to develop to strike correctly in WC otherwise you can’t use the wrist correctly to accelerate into the target. It’s also one of the reasons that training with 16oz gloves takes the sting out.
I’d hazard a guess that it’s the same with other southern short striking methods, such as with those that use the fung yao as a primary strike.
Dave
[QUOTE=Ozzy Dave;1138668]This is a really good and defining point on the way WC approaches IP.
This is one of the things you have to develop to strike correctly in WC otherwise you can’t use the wrist correctly to accelerate into the target. It’s also one of the reasons that training with 16oz gloves takes the sting out.
I’d hazard a guess that it’s the same with other southern short striking methods, such as with those that use the fung yao as a primary strike.
Dave[/QUOTE]
So your saying I need Iron Palm to strike correctly for the wrist to accelerate …? 
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1138646]look in the mirror for obtuse, i wasnt asking you ;)[/QUOTE]
Yes, but he answered the question you were asking! The world is full of stuff that you don’t know about authentic TCMA practice. So, the best advice for you is to do what I do, and that is keep an open and inquisitive mind and learn from those who have access to knowledge and practices that you don’t. 
Two things:
Wall bag training can be used for iron palm. It’s not the dropping method, or even the palm that makes it iron palm, but the concept. Iron palm is just the term.
2- Duncan Leung, Alan Lee are two more highly respected Situation, who include ip in their training.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1138667]
well aware of AF ‘plinth’ striking ideas…[/QUOTE]
You don’t IMO.
It’s ok to have your own views on the subject.
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1138616]So can I. Joy’s si-fu, Augustine Fong, has taught iron palm in his WC. I learned a bit of that under one of his instructors back in '79. Then I spent a dozen years with LT who felt that iron palm was a waste of time in his WT system. Experts will disagree.[/QUOTE]
Yes, experts can disagree and do. That is because they have other valid methodologies that give them the necessary impact and penetrative power, such as some Internal styles that can deliver huge damage with almost baby soft hands.
The problem is that many other “experts” will just badmouth and demean a methodology because they do not know ziltch about it, and I am afraid that this is the case on many MA internet forums.
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1138616]I can see some logic in both points of view. Most of our hitting is frontal, centerline striking, and the wall bag is good training for that. On the other hand, there is some use of downward dropping energy, as in jut-sau, gum-sau, gaun-sau and so on. Perhaps iron palm training could be used to enhance that? Or maybe you could just spend more time on the dummy.[/QUOTE]
The downward IP training helps to, among other things, develop the “heavy hand”, which then becomes useful in whichever direction one strikes.
Personally speaking both methodologies work for me, so I am not discounting,nor demeaning any of them.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1138762]The downward IP training helps to, [/QUOTE]
We don’t see much downward palm strike in UFC ground game may be because the MMA gloves. Without the gloves, I believe IP will be a very powerful tool in the ground game. It’s not that hard to break someone’s nose when he is on the ground and you are on top of him.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1138464]And dont forget “Iron Ginger Fist” , I think I saw a DVD series somewhere for that…:D[/QUOTE]
Would you like to taste my iron ginger fist?
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1138764]Would you like to taste my iron ginger fist?[/QUOTE]
I counter with lemon chicken finger strike
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1138763]We don’t see much downward palm strike in UFC ground game may be because the MMA gloves. Without the gloves, I believe IP will be a very powerful tool in the ground game. It’s not that hard to break someone’s nose when he is on the ground and you are on top of him.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I should have been more clear. Sometimes I use the Iron Palm description to mean any “iron” training involving the hand. I believe that a penetrative fist strike from the top, to an opponent lying on the bottom will make difference, much more than a Iron Palm strike, even when one is wearing gloves. Palm strikes will probably be more effected by the use gloves.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1138781]Actually, I should have been more clear. Sometimes I use the Iron Palm descrition to mean any “iron” training involving the hand. I believe that a penetrative fist strike from the top, to an opponent lying on the bottom will make difference, much more than a Iron Palm strike, even when one is wearing gloves. Palm strikes will probably be more effected by the use gloves.:)[/QUOTE]
“Two things:
Wall bag training can be used for iron palm. It’s not the dropping method, or even the palm that makes it iron palm, but the concept. Iron palm is just the term.
2- Duncan Leung, Alan Lee are two more highly respected Situation, who include ip in their training.”
I talk..nobody listens…you’re like my kids…
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1138782]“Two things:
Wall bag training can be used for iron palm. It’s not the dropping method, or even the palm that makes it iron palm, but the concept. Iron palm is just the term.
2- Duncan Leung, Alan Lee are two more highly respected Situation, who include ip in their training.”
I talk..nobody listens…you’re like my kids…[/QUOTE]
Much truth to that - but wall and stand training complement each other.And you can also combine both.