How do you train for the "real deal"?

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jon wanker torn

Until he asks me to meet him for a challenge match under a full moon in the tiny village of Chialobo, Honduras while approaching on a 3 legged donkey with a priest, a rabbi, and a minster I won’t even bother reading his pathetic troll attempts.

–done is done, b there shit breath. now take that turd out of ur mouth and ur boyfriend’s cock out of ur ass and get a move on, sissy boy :smiley: btw, i insist on u being escorted by 2 ex-nuns, both dressed in a genuine, authentic, made in taiwan, denim, auto mechanic jump suit. their navel must be pierced with a chrome plated, made in mexico, pot metal, ratchet wrench, 5/8" socket optional :wink: after i burn u like a cheap cigar they will b there to unbolt ur head from ur overused as*shole, girlie boy :stuck_out_tongue:

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How far do you take it?

Firstly can I just say that it seems that every time something is posted on here, instead of it being either sensibly discussed or constructively criticised, it is quickly condemned and attacked by a certain few members. If you miss a blatently obvious comment such as " not all attacks are seen, some are sudden without warning" which is common sense, there is an immediate bonbardment of comments having to quote this , as if to try to prove the other wrong.

Can’t people just discuss things instead of attack eachother?

Before someone comments I know its not everyone, but it’s a certain few that spoil it.

With regards to the subject matter, how far do you take realistic training?

Most people train as a hobby, an enjoyment and to learn self defence but also most people have to go to work Monday morning. If training “realistic” means going for it without pads then injuries are going to happen and I don’t want to be going to work with a broken nose, fractured jaw and god knows what else.

Personally if training with pads I try to get into a mindset that any blow I take could potentially be a final one so that I know that if I get hit with a heavy shot with a glove on, I can appreciate that if there was no glove it would have hurt more.

Realism training is very important if thats what you wish to train (its not for everyone, some people just like doing the moves) but there are times when training without gloves has its place but power is reduced and there are times when you can give more power with gloves on.

Why do you think sparring pads were invented? for protection.

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dan_uk

Most people train as a hobby, an enjoyment

–if that’s their goal then yes, it can b a decent form of recreation

and to learn self defence

–i hate that term ‘self defense’ it is the situation dependent application that could qualify as self defense. the art should b approached for ? it is, a method of producing destructive force, apply as u c fit

but also most people have to go to work Monday morning.

–sure

If training “realistic” means going for it without pads then injuries are going to happen and I don’t want to be going to work with a broken nose, fractured jaw and god knows what else.

–y not slow down speed of execution to about 75% all out as ur safeguard. still get messed up with pads, might even encourage sloppy technique as u know the padding will save u

Personally if training with pads I try to get into a mindset that any blow I take could potentially be a final one so that I know that if I get hit with a heavy shot with a glove on, I can appreciate that if there was no glove it would have hurt more.

–ok, & how much more would the lesson of getting hit with a heavy strike come to mind if there were no pads, how much more aware would u b the next time thru?

Realism training is very important if thats what you wish to train (its not for everyone, some people just like doing the moves)

–if that’s their thing, kewl

but there are times when training without gloves has its place

–then that place was no where 2 b found for hundreds of yrs., care 2 explain?

but power is reduced and there are times when you can give more power with gloves on.

–???

Why do you think sparring pads were invented? for protection.

–& that is 1 thing very much wrong with today’s ma, they rely on protection from add ons instead of skills

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sometimes i wonder if he knows how to spell those words out or if he’s doing it to be annoying.

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Ginger****

Get the hell off our board. Anybody who actually wants to read this thread has now to read a pages worth of crap thanks to you. What you say makes sense, but the way you say it sucks. Tone it down, and maybe we’ll give a **** what you’re saying.

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"Why do you think sparring pads were invented? for protection.

–& that is 1 thing very much wrong with today’s ma, they rely on protection from add ons instead of skills"

I started just before pads came onto wide use.

I could see the change in techniques and abilities jump after using gloves. Techniques that you held back on you could now throw with power and see if they really work.

If your training without pads constantly, then you are missing out on advancement of your skills. If you fight full power a couple times a week without pads your not going to be around long.

I throw on the gloves and fight with someone every day (weekends off), if it were not for protective equipment i wouldnt be able to train like that.

(The intensity of the session vary with the person I fight, with someone new Im light, with other instructors it more power.)

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Also, with protective equipment you can make mistakes while working on techniques. So if your working on closeing for a takedown, you can eat a few shots until you get it down where you dont get hit.

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caution

Id advise people not to become the thing they hate.

I agree with many comments against Ginger Fist.
Thats not to invalidate everything Ginger Fist has said. All bickering aside, Ginger Fist has some good points.

Unfortunatly going further off the wall when people have complained has made Ginger Fist seem even more annoying.

But if people havent learned that insulting GF leads to GF snapping back then I guess your in for a great deal of wasted space on the forums.

Peace.:o

One more note: Swears are effective when used with great caution and rarity. Excess in this area is pathetic.

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Hmph!

Firstly, Wu Wei - I agree with the swearing thing - say **** a thousand times and it becomes just another word.

As for GF. He can make good comments. He can also make very arrogant, insolent comments. JWT - Ralek was clever, but did he ever reach this level of TrollPower? You could reason with Ralek at times, GF just throws in a joke about your mother and then leaves for a few days. It’s cyber-terrorism. :rolleyes:

As for pads - you got to use them these days. Too many people can catch you with a lucky strike. When I used to do Judo, I fought an ex-boxer, who’d recently turned to cross-training. We were doing a bit of light Randori, and I managed to get him in a lapel-choke-hold. Instinctively he lashed out, catching me across the face with a left hook. This is without pads or gloves. He KO’d me, left me with a cut on my cheek-bone and a pretty bad bruise!

Just an example of how wussy grappling arts are in MMA tournaments :smiley:

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scotty with IQ of 1

Get the hell off our board.

–bite a fart scooter

Anybody who actually wants to read this thread has now to read a pages worth of crap

–well then 4 the love of money scrotey, quit it!!! dam*ned kids 2day

What you say makes sense, but the way you say it sucks.

–pay attention to the message not the messenger scumsack

Tone it down, and maybe we’ll give a **** what you’re saying.

–u r who that i should care?

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tepid frost

As for pads - you got to use them these days. Too many people can catch you with a lucky strike.

–no … 2 many people 2day have degenerate skills & get hit with stuff they shouldn’t. there is no lucky strike … just lame as*sed skills on the part of the 1 getting struck … might b some wussy stuff with not being able 2 endure pain from being hit as well … yeah … real martial artists … b sure to carry ur pads with u when u go outside ur school … hate 4 some1 2 actually try to hurt u & not have the good manners 2 wear pads

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If you say so…

But personally, I don’t yet find that I’m a Grandmaster, capable of blocking any punch, any place, anywhere. I find that I do take the odd hit here and there. Most of them aren’t due to a lack of skill, I just get caught out every now and then, like I expect most people do.

Obviously you are a man of great skill, Ginger Fist. You can block any punch/kick/elbow strike/bomb blast with just your bare hands. When you do get hit (which is rare) it doesn’t bother you… because my friend - you are one HARD B*STARD!
You don’t need pads - you are the greatest!
(SARCASM LEVEL HIGH)

**** it man, sometimes I wish I could:

1)Fight like you.
2)Lie like you.
3)Talk out of my arse like you.
(DELETE AS APPLICABLE)
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dilapidatedsound

But personally, I don’t yet find that I’m a Grandmaster, capable of blocking any punch, any place, anywhere.

–that wouldn’t b a grandmaster … that would b a fiction

I find that I do take the odd hit here and there.

–odd hit? ?s odd … the strike or the fact u got hit

Most of them aren’t due to a lack of skill, I just get caught out every now and then, like I expect most people do.

–delete most … write all

Obviously you are a man of great skill, Ginger Fist.

–u aren’t qualified 2 determine that

You can block any punch/kick/elbow strike/bomb blast with just your bare hands.

–never said that … i disagree with ur pads approach & u cop an attitude … u r a sissy boy looking 4 validation 4 ur approach … plenty of wannabes who will do that 4 u

When you do get hit (which is rare) it doesn’t bother you…

–rare depends on context … bother is also relative

because my friend - you are one HARD B*STARD!

–true

You don’t need pads - you are the greatest!
(SARCASM LEVEL HIGH)

–4 100s of yrs real kung fu people haven’t used or really needed pads … as a real kung fu person u know this (sarcasm level off the scale)

**** it man, sometimes I wish I could:
1)Fight like you.
2)Lie like you.
3)Talk out of my arse like you.
(DELETE AS APPLICABLE)

–learn 2 b content with who & ? u r

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Train for the real deal

Without putting a sparring partner in the hospital or beating the daylights out of some unsuspecting individual walking down the street , how do you train for the real deal ?

Converge,keep on sparring like you normally do.
But when you’re out in the streets,just be prepared,for anykind of situation.
And just be alert,but ready.

Use the simplest moves in the streets,and save the flashy moves for the tournament.

Al Dacascos

Seriously though,you don’t know your attacker.
And he does’nt know you ,so just be prepared,when it happens negotiate first , if cannot,close the gap.
The main idea of learning the martial arts,is to survive in the streets or any kind of situations.

Take Care

:slight_smile:

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“just lame as*sed skills on the part of the 1 getting struck … might b some wussy stuff with not being able 2 endure pain from being hit as well … yeah … real martial artists … b sure to carry ur pads with u when u go outside ur school … hate 4 some1 2 actually try to hurt u & not have the good manners 2 wear pads”

You dont train often. You obviously have no idea how to train. Even the people who train for NHB do not train full contact constantly, let alone without gloves. If you train without gloves with power you will soon be to injured to continue training.

If you can block all of your 14 year old buddies blocks so you dont need gloves, then its time you found some adults that have skill to train with.

Good luck in your training
Dark Knight

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I don’t know if it’s possible to train for the real deal.

The real deal, to me, means facing the possibility of death.

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Real deal?

The times that you face the “real deal” , usually happens fast and violently…seems like a long time or suspended time when you are fighting, especially when you are fighting for your life.
Often, your attacker(s) catch you off guard.
Try a “real deal” where your wife and child are with you and you are outnumbered?

I taught classes where we used light "finger" gloves and teeth guards because most of us did not have a comprehensive dental plan and most of us had to go to work the next day, fairly intact.  Every week or so, the gloves came off, so that the practitioner can get the proper distancing, speed, and rhythm in trapping and bridging.

More often than not, the guys preferred no gloves....gloves meant full power, often ended up in knock downs if not knock outs with some concussions from your head hitting the deck.

Bruce L. taught me that "in order to learn to swim, you must swim in water."  Even in his classes, we used gloves and shin pads.  There are many of his guys, that you wouldn't want to go against in the "real deal."
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Real Deal?

How do you train for the real deal?

Without putting a sparring partner in the hospital or beating the daylights out of some unsuspecting indivudual walking down the street,how do you train for the real deal ?

This is my input to this topic,you’ll

never know what to expect in the

streets.

So the best thing to do is to prepare

and to be alert of what will happen.

You can be practicing drills,or develop

your own drills.

Imagine what your attacker can really do

against you.

From there develop your own defense

actions your attacker’s attacks.

But keep an open mind , so if your

attacker ,throws a right punch to your

facial area.

You know what to do allready.

The main thing to do is be prepared.

Take Care

P.S.Condition your mind and body ,as you
practice your drills.

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One point…

Ginger Fist. First let me correct some grammatical errors:

"Most of them aren’t due to a lack of skill, I just get caught out every now and then, like I expect most people do.

You replied with - replace most with all. So NONE of my errors are due to a lack of skill?! Thank you for the compliment.

Now the psycho-analysis:

–never said that … i disagree with ur pads approach & u cop an attitude … u r a sissy boy looking 4 validation 4 ur approach … plenty of wannabes who will do that 4 u

You wish to train full contact without pads. I admire your dedication. However, I have other elements of my life that would prohibit this - i.e: Job, college social life. All of which would be a bit more unpleasant with increased level of injury.

I am not a “sissyboy”, in any sense of the word. Furthermore, I am not seeking validation for either my style, or my use of pads. Why would I seek to promote my style. I am not an instructor and so would obtain neither financial or social gain.

Wannabe’s?! I presume you mean that people will train with pads and support my POV. You will probably find that 90% of people on this board train with pads, at least for some elements of their training.

–4 100s of yrs real kung fu people haven’t used or really needed pads … as a real kung fu person u know this (sarcasm level off the scale)

Firstly, pads have been in some use, in some styles since at least the late 1800’s. Admittedly, there are certain pads like wrap-around headguards and kickshields that are more recent innovations, but the principle is still evident.

Secondly, you imply that I am not a “real Kung Fu person”. On what evidence do you base this. I see no evidence that you have researched my style. If you would like to - there is a website at www.bkfa.org.uk. My style is Lau-Gar Kung Fu, a Southern Style of Kung Fu brought to this country by Master Jeremy Yau. I can provide you with more information if you wish to learn more.

BTW: What style do you train in? I am quite interested.

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**** knight

You dont train often.

–6 days a week … 9 hrs a day d*ork knight

You obviously have no idea how to train.

–sure stumpy … just following a tradition centuries old … no value to a p*ussy sports boy like u

Even the people who train for NHB do not train full contact constantly, let alone without gloves.

–do u know y it’s dark 4 u knight? cuz ur head is up ur ass … read my post … not all out

If you train without gloves with power you will soon be to injured to continue training.

–sure thing stumpy … 4 a girlie boy like u … only worked 4 centuries … not valid 4 u showtime losers & that’s u stumpy

If you can block all of your 14 year old buddies blocks so you dont need gloves, then its time you found some adults that have skill to train with.

–don’t cry 2 me about ur preference 4 kids as training buddies … ur problem … deal with it stumpy

Good luck in your training

–luck is a lot like u … a myth