Without putting a sparring partner in the hospital or beating the daylights out of some unsuspecting individual walking down the street, how do you train for the “real deal”?
Humbly,
Convergence
“Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.” - Proverbs 18:12
Every morning, I wake up, go outside, and rub my face in gravel. Then, I promptly go back to bed…because it’s far too early.
convergence
Without putting a sparring partner in the hospital or beating the daylights out of some unsuspecting individual walking down the street, how do you train for the “real deal”?
–by engaging in micro laboratories, san sau, at about 75% full speed works well. it has 2 the have element of risk 4 both people. partner should be = or higher skill level. painful, dangerous, productive.
–go watch any professional athlete practice, not warm up or compete, different mind at these times.
they move about 60-75% full speed. go watch a professional dance troupe practice, same deal. at about 75% real speed the speed is close enough 2 full out 2 have positive value.
–4 m.a. it has 2 have risk, it is conditioning 4 the nervous system. u don’t want 2 kill off the surge of energy, us want 2 become used 2 it so it becomes ur ally.
–this type of stuff should b done in small bouts.
no more than a handful of seconds at a time. then rest, relax, point out errors in movement that just happened, correct error thru repeat of sequence at about 50% real speed back up to about 75% real speed. then go on to next san sau bout. repeat 4 as long as ur mind is able to focus 100% on the exchange. stop 4 the day when u or ur partner’s mind starts to drift off task. quality not quantity and more is often worse than stopping be4 mind drift.
One Mr. Geoff Thompson…
… has pretty much dedicated his life to this stuff, and he’s done it pretty well. His book Watch My Back is a good read (if a little commercialised).
At his school he trains like he would fight on the street - two people get “padded up” and one plays an attacker the other plays Mr. Joe Average. The idea is to get the mind prepared for confrontation, the attacker swears, spits and generally goes psycho 
This replicates as accurately as possible a street situation.
I’ve not done much of it myself, but I can see the principle behind it - most people go to pieces on the street.
If you’re interested in this stuff, Geoff Thompson’s stuff is a good start. Go to www.geoffthompson.com.
He is the Grand Ultimate S h i t
just like the streets?
At his school he trains like he would fight on the street - two people get “padded up” …
–sure, all kinds of guys walk around padded up attacking 1 another. bullshit. any padding lends itself 2 a sense of security, play if u will but u know in ur mind that safeguards r in place. trash shit ala tony blauer. pads distort distance, distort surface area of contact, distort weapon configurations, distort sensory input from impact, distort mental perspective.
… and one plays an attacker the other plays Mr. Joe Average.
–accurate statement ‘plays’ which is not anything 4 the street, no play, just real.
The idea is to get the mind prepared for confrontation, …
–good idea, we’ve been doing just that 4 hundreds of yrs, good of u 2 finally get on board.
the attacker swears, spits and generally goes psycho
–bullshi*t, provides vocal cues often times absent in the street. even if auditory cues are present they are often times lost in the sensory flood. allows 4 emotional ramping up, gradual not sudden flood as in street.
This replicates as accurately as possible a street situation.
–total bullsh*it, where the hell have u been hanging out sissy boy? guy starts 2 get hostile waste him then & there, fight begins when 1 side believes physical confrontation unavoidable. u stand around running ur mouth 2 me, i’ll stick my fingers in ur eyes while u r in mid-sentence.
–new age psycho babble bullshit sold by those with no skills, no lineage, just marketing crap.
no guts 2 do it the right way either 4 that matter, stupid shit sacks probably don’t know the right way, piss poor teachers.
Ginger Fist,
I’m sitting here reading this and I’m thinking you sure talk a lot of disrespectful trash for a no-name guy. Are we supposed to believe that just because you are independently wealthy, sleep with your incestuous girlfriend, and study Southern Mantis that you can come out of nowhere to give us all the real truth about combat? Interesting premise.
Frankly, I’m not all that excited about lineages (your posts imply you have a stellar one). They do serve as a basic benchmark for what overall quality of information someone may be studying but they say nothing of an individual student’s ability. I’ve personally touched hands with people who had some impressive lineages but who couldn’t handle very much. To be fair, there have also been some very skilled ones as well, but the point is that lineage is no guarantee of quality.
Most recently, you’re having a go at Geoff Thompson and Tony Blauer. Mr. Thompson, at least, has “been there, done that” in ways that most modern day lineage holders have not. For that matter, so have I. Both Mr. Thompson’s and Mr. Blauer’s teaching methods have received fairly universal good reviews from those who have actually faced real life-or-death combat, as opposed to those who may perhaps be resting on lineage laurels.
You did bring up some worthwhile points regarding the surprise and immediacy of a lot of real physical assaults. However, not all real attacks are entirely sudden. Many (especially untrained) attackers regularly use emotional ratcheting to psyche themselves up into a state where they feel most comfortable starting a fight. Granted, it may be strategically optimal to launch a pre-emptive attack on a would-be assailant if one is absolutely convinced of an imminent attack. However, real encounters are rarely this cut-and-dried and clearly delineated. Especially if one may still be concurrently trying to stave off a potential attack through verbal dialogue, non-threatening body posture, or maneuvering toward a potential escape route.
I suppose the bottom line here is: if you are so confident in your qualification to not only dismissively criticize Mr. Thompson’s and others’ methods, but to do so in a completely disrespectful way, you’re going to have to do a bit more to convince some of us of your credibility. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, as the saying goes.
Ah. Good to see someone has replaced Rolls…
… as the boards’ Premiere troll.
OK, Ginger Fist - I agree, you have made some good points, most notably about the immediacy of some attacks. That’s why most people train to be aware of situations, so that they can react at the first sign of danger, rather than allowing it to escalate. I agree with your point and should have stated that above.
However, from your post we’re supposed to believe that you would rather spar full-contact without any padding. I know they a false sense of security, but I can’t believe you’d spar without gloves and pads. You’d have trouble bedding 2 girls with a face like that
I do agree that quite a lot of fights break out instantly, but 90% of the time the guy is mouthing off at you. This part of the training is to try and get people used to this element in the street. The fact of the matter is, that on the street it isn’t romantic, it’s ugly and brutal and you have to fight like a f*cking animal.
I agree with what Chris said, you can’t slag off people like Geoff Thompson without backing it up. And I don’t care for lineage either. I can respect the fact that a good lineage can bring better, more complete teaching, but it all depends on the application of what you know.
“Tomorrow’s life is too late. Live today.”
Marcus Valerius Martialis
chris mck
I suppose the bottom line here is: if you are so confident in your qualification to not only dismissively criticize Mr. Thompson’s and others’ methods, but to do so in a completely disrespectful way, you’re going to have to do a bit more to convince some of us of your credibility.
–wrong answer. ? a nobody such as u believes necessary is meaningless
Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, as the saying goes.
–go practice ur nlp & keep searching 4 majic. maybe u will learn some illmu hitman & impress people at parties 
mck explained
Every morning, I wake up, go outside, and rub my face in gravel. Then, I promptly go back to bed…because it’s far too early.
–wowser, what a stupid sack of maggot ridden sh*it u r the guy asks a straight up ? & u post ur personal grooming regimen :eek:
–y don’t u buy some more blauer videos, re-up ur ky-jelly supply, & go back 2 endlessly jerking off as it’s ? u do best 
terminal frost
… as the boards’ Premiere troll.
–i’m # 1, i’m # 1, i’m # 1, …
OK, Ginger Fist - I agree, you have made some good points, most notably about the immediacy of some attacks.
–sh*it, don’t tell me u r going 2 agree with something i wrote? :eek:
That’s why most people train to be aware of situations, so that they can react at the first sign of danger, rather than allowing it to escalate. I agree with your point and should have stated that above.
–the right to refuse an offer of violence
However, from your post we’re supposed to believe that you would rather spar full-contact without any padding.
–p*iss poor reading comprehension, read it again & this time focus on the message, not the messenger.
I know they a false sense of security, but I can’t believe you’d spar without gloves and pads.
–been that way for centuries
You’d have trouble bedding 2 girls with a face like that
–read the post u r referring 2 again, u r missing it
I do agree that quite a lot of fights break out instantly, but 90% of the time the guy is mouthing off at you.
–& when he is in2 his vocal rhythm, i stick my fingers right in his fuc*king eyes. i don’t care or even hear content, just the sense of rhythm.
This part of the training is to try and get people used to this element in the street.
–they r doing it wrong. setting people up 4 disaster
The fact of the matter is, that on the street it isn’t romantic, it’s ugly and brutal and you have to fight like a f*cking animal.
–agreed, perhaps 5 animals
I agree with what Chris said, you can’t slag off people like Geoff Thompson without backing it up.
–fu*ck u where u breathe. i do as i will.
And I don’t care for lineage either.
–yeah, every1 i hear say that has none
I can respect the fact that a good lineage can bring better, more complete teaching, but it all depends on the application of what you know.
–very good & that is the whole of the matter
You actually do kick serious amounts of ass as a troll. The purity of your approach (that is, posts containing no merit whatsoever) is something Ralek could only dabble in.
Indeed,
Your powers of Trolling are great. But don’t turn professional just yet, you could have a chance of Trolling for your country at the Olympics if you carry on with this level of consistency in your remarks.
“–p*iss poor reading comprehension, read it again & this time focus on the message, not the messenger.”
Firstly, YOU are criticising MY English? OK. 
Secondly, I understand the message, that pads do provide a false sense of security. The question is:
Q: Do you, or do you not spar with pads?
A: Probably Yes.
BTW - Lineage. Just cause some guy a couple of generations back was a Grandmaster does not mean that if you train in his methods you will become one too. He probably trained 8 hours a day. And probably abstained from incestuous threesomes 
“Tomorrow’s life is too late. Live today.”
Marcus Valerius Martialis
tfrost
Your powers of Trolling are great.
–y thank u … thank u very much & pass the peanut butter & jelly sandwiches
But don’t turn professional just yet, you could have a chance of Trolling for your country at the Olympics if you carry on with this level of consistency in your remarks.
–damnzilla, there’s that chariots of fire theme music again!!!
Firstly, YOU are criticising MY English? OK.
–batta bing!!! u smoked me good on that 1
Secondly, I understand the message, …
–then how did u not factor in the 75% real speed element & leap to full out sparrying?
Q: Do you, or do you not spar with pads?
A: Probably Yes.
–no
BTW - Lineage. Just cause some guy a couple of generations back was a Grandmaster does not mean that if you train in his methods you will become one too.
–agreed, lineage is no free ride ticket punch to high level of skill. possibly hurts in some cases. that doesn’t have anything 2 do with the fact that it has been in my blood family 4 generations. even if i was a lazy sack of ****, which i am, the instruction is always from parent 2 child
He probably trained 8 hours a day. And probably abstained from incestuous threesomes
–i have the same time in, don’t play up the twins so much, it’s an every now & then situation. her sister is frozen in time, valley girl time & gets on my nerves
mctu*rdsucker
You actually do kick serious amounts of ass as a troll.
–& u actually suck some serious piles of shit
The purity of your approach (that is, posts containing no merit whatsoever) is something Ralek could only dabble in.
–the merit is echelons above ur pitiful level of understanding mctu*urdsucker. careful sissy boy, u might cut urself
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ginger Fist:
Unreadable randomness[/quote]
Please I beg of you, TYPE WITH OUT USING NUMBERS IN PLACE OF WORDS. It is so annoying.
Is it that ******* hard to type out to, too, two, for, fore, or four?
Also type out all of you, it is only two extra letters.
gunn-man
dude … quit reading my posts!!! outside a rare exception here-there they are not meant to be instructional. my posts are intended to occupy and expose the sorry sacks of shit on this forum who pose as experts and then poison the newbie with bullshit. forums are not places to learn. at best, they might be places to find out where to go to learn, or who to stay the fu*ck away from.
Void
You can train for thr real deal, by not expecting it yet always being ready for it. This can be done by keeping the mind as empty as possible all the time via being non-attached to things in life.
This is the root of spontenaiety.
Real Deal Training
First of all…
You have to train as reality dictates. You cannot train according to any style, whims or the limitations of facility. This means you must examine your tactics and delivery systems to see if they will hold up under “a real assault”. So padded assailants, training weapons, paint knives, SIMUNITION and mindset must all come together in dynamic scenario assault training.
#1. Learn the tactics
#2. Learn the training methods
#3. Train by yourself and with a partner
#4. Spar
#5. TEST YOUR TACTICS and YOUR ABILITY TO DELIVER THEM UNDER STRESS.
Things have progressed in the training arena. You should take advantage of modern advancements in training just as one would with dentistry. Or we could all go back to takin a swig of whiskey before we get that tooth pulled…!!
Demi Barbito
The CSPT - www.DemiBarbito.com
“A Lethal Force Institute”
Demi Barbito
The C.S.P.T.
“A Lethal Force Institute”
Thompson and Blauer has it right. Work on those scenarios along with constant sparring and u’ll be ok. React accordingly.
A
Ginger fist a good troll? Are guys fu(king kidding me? He’s nothing. Rolls took months to set up some of his trolls. He crossed multiple boards and had a dozen identities. He got other people to posts with him to set up trolls. And he did it for years.
I’m not even going to talk about TKD Man.
Ginger is a punk, not even worthy to be related to Rolls. It is a sad, sad day when he is considered the best of the KFO troll force.
Until he asks me to meet him for a challenge match under a full moon in the tiny village of Chialobo, Honduras while approaching on a 3 legged donkey with a priest, a rabbi, and a minster I won’t even bother reading his pathetic troll attempts.
Hang your heads in shame.
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV