i personally think that it is crazy for someone to say that they teach the one true pure wing chun. Every person that wing chun has been passed to added something took away something. The bo staff was added by wing chun’s husband who learned it from a actor. I would just like to know how you can say that this is the pure style. Please feel me in.
Wingchunroy: If you have a genuine knowledgeable wing chun sifu- why not begin by asking him. You first have to have a good teacher- then with time effort and listening you develop your kungfu and then you see how evrything falls into place. Also. since you are mixing learning wing chun and tkd I have my doubts about how much time you are devoting to wing chun.
i agree
i agree with you. no one has the one true wing chun. its all wing chun. yip man style vs yeun kay san vs william cheung vs leung ting vs blah blah blah doesn’t matter, its all wing chun. wing chun is wing chun. i agree with you on that stuff has been added to wing chun. look at the 8 puches of wing chun, ginger fist, hammer fist, not too much like wing chun to me, (they are kinda interesting though for fun, not effect). also with the pole, come on, horse stances in wing chun, i don’t think so. and if anyone wants to refute me, my sifu agrees. so ya cant say im just some young upstart shooting my mouth off. (just kidding everyone, nothing personal)
wingchunroy
I don’t know how much people here will agree or disagree with me, but I really don’t care if mine is the real deal (whatever that means?). What I mean is as you can see all the Wing Chun people here seem to not only agree with each other on certain topics but also disagree on other topics. But I don’t think they don’t have the so-called real deal (Wing Chun), it’s still Wing Chun. I used to be concerned about this myself many years ago, but after seeing how everybody performed Wing Chun differently I decided to just train the way I was taught and not to worry about everybody else. To be honest with you, I am not to sure any of us have the “real deal”. I mean honestly what did Wing Chun really look like 300 years ago? And how much has it really changed in 300 years? You can see how it changed in the past 20-30 years, this has happened in some schools within our life time. Well, I will close now since I am beginning to ramble. Though this is all in my honest opinion, and may not be yours
Wing chun is my love. It helps me find my true self. As for the comment that you don’t know how much time I devote to my wing chun I do my form 5-7 times a day. The only thing that I was saying is that you read all of these websites claming the true wing chun. The only thing that I was wondering is how you would know that it was considering that wing chun was evented in the 1700’s and things have been added and taken out. That was the only thing that I was saying.
wingchunroy- good. I understand.
As wingchun’s Heraclitus sez- you never do the same wing chun twice. <g>
That’s why I love JKD, it’s always real!
use your judgment
Yes, everyone knows that there are 69 million variants of wingchun out there. If you are looking for the right wing chun for you, approach every variant with skepticism. Question the reason why a technique is trained. Analyze the response you get. If it makes sense, and it’s not some bulls__ response like (cause that’s how it’s been done for 300 years; that’s how my sifu showed it to me), then this variant of wingchun may have some merit. I chose my flavor of wingchun because my instructor was able to provide a sound, logical reason why any movement should or should not be performed. The students are able to question the validity of any technique, and the sifu will always be able to give an answer that makes sense.
Every lineage will claim that their wingchun is the best, makes the most sense, is the most practical, but you have to make that judgment for yourself. In my opinion, the true wingchun is the one that is not afraid to adapt and change if it is proven that a technique is flawed or obsolete. It is the principles of wing chun, not specific techniques that make the style so effective.
How do you know that you wing chun is the real deal?
Much character analysis.
A poster said: That’s why I love JKD, it’s always real!
A finger pointing to the moon no doubt… or a real zero,i.e,when a punch is no longera punch before a punch is justa punch…
or missing all the heavenly glory.
Fake/Real Bulls*it
Every branch of WC advocates their method as being the best, most efficient, most true to the original principles (?) - in actuality, when you look at the various branches of Yip Man Wing Chun, all of these ‘styles’ are the same.
Same forms (with the exception of the odd movement or sequence), same principles. Errr… okay… different coloured trousers and T Shirts
“Novox77” hits the nail on the head. Your instructor is ultimately the person that will decide for you. My Sifu encourages us to question him. He wants us to ‘not’ take what he’s saying at face value.
You ask him a question and he gives you a straight answer, with a demonstration if it’s needed (which it always is).
Real or Fake? Find a Sifu that talks the talk AND walks the walk. I’ll refrain from quoting from the Matrix, even though the urge is bubbling up…
As for Wing Chun picking up new techniques over the last few hundred years… great! Most MAs are related, have common ground, and each should ‘move’ a little.
They ought to adapt (or the way we apply them should adapt). If you were attacked today in London, it probably wouldn’t be with a ye olde England broadsword and a quiver full of arrows…
…Well,.. I hope not!
the lineage is important because,
if you are learning off from a bad lineage and their moves are not correct
you will be working hard for 2-5 years learning **** that do not work and you will be wasting your time.
It wouldn’t matter if everybody taught up to par wing chun, but that isn’t the case. There are lot of non-practical wing chun schools out there, just teaching the forms incorrectly, teaching techniques that do not work in rreal life, not enough sparring.
Thats the problem, not which lineage is better or not.
Wing Chun is a system,not a style so someone ,even from a so called “bad lineage” can catch on the principles and bring back good Wing Chun in this line!..Think about it.
Originally posted by old jong
Wing Chun is a system,not a style so someone ,even from a so called “bad lineage” can catch on the principles and bring back good Wing Chun in this line!..Think about it.
If you look around at the videos around the web, you will see this is not true. If your first sifu did not teach you why you use the tan sau, why bong sau, you would not know the principal and or how to correct it at all.. that is unless you change to a correct sifu and he explains it in detail to you.
Relax
I know what you mean but…If you spend your time thinking about every motions in Wing Chun during forms practice,you will find some answers. Put your answers to the test.
It is said that “As many styles teach you what to think, Wing Chun teach you HOW to think” AS the rest, it comes with lots of practice!
LMFAO
Originally posted by yuanfen
[B]A poster said: That’s why I love JKD, it’s always real!
A finger pointing to the moon no doubt… or a real zero,i.e,when a punch is no longera punch before a punch is justa punch…
or missing all the heavenly glory.
[/B]
You’re killing me man…
Re: Relax
Originally posted by old jong
“As many styles teach you what to think, Wing Chun teach you HOW to think”
Who comes up with these idiotic idioms, anyway.
Wing Chun is not that disctinct, in its principles. It is unique, as much as any other martial art. Every other style has it’s good and it’s bad teachers/lineages, as does Wing Chun. Wing Chun does not have exclusivity on martial art politics.
but you have to admit - when it comes to Internal Politics - Wing Chun does it best
dave
Wing Chun is Wing Chun and other Nonsense…
“It is the principles of wing chun, not specific techniques that make the style so effective.” Novox77
I find this discussion interesting. It raises some important questions. I have studied MA for 22 years in 17 styles and I must say that while other systems do teach similar principles there is no other martial art that is as concise in its organization of the subject matter as wing chun. I have completely dedicated myself to learning wing chun and consider all my learning in the MA’s to have led me to study this incredible art.
The principles of wing chun are simply the principles of nature. By that I mean that when you look at mathematics, geometry, and physics; wing chun is simply the logic of human motion. IMHO wing chun is the greatest because of how it presents its subject matter. 3 hand forms (Lines, Circles, and Spheres). All motions are learned through the forms and then practical application (in its various stages) is gained through chi sau.
“It is unique, as much as any other martial art.” Whippinghand
Name another martial arts that has as sophisticated an implement as chi sau. In its simplicity lies is sophistication. In its construction lies its depth. There is no end to the learning that takes place in chi sau. Chi sau is NOT sparring!
Everyone is so quick to spar! Why must one learn to get hit? Do soldiers train to take a bullet? I for one can testify that they do not! Do they begin training Marines to fight in a full scale war? No! They begin with a simple motion. You spend 3 weeks holding your rifle before you ever shoot a real bullet!
“wing chun is wing chun” wingchunalex
This is a tautology. It is meaningless. However, I feel that it needs to be addressed because I have heard this so much. A analogy to music is useful here.
How many recordings of J.S. Bach are there? Why would someone record a piece that has already been recorded? Because everyone plays these pieces differently. Did the notes change? No. It is in the phrasing, the syntax, the ebb and flow of the rhythm and timing that is unique to every performer. No one plays Bach like Andras Schiff or Glenn Gould. But they both have completely different interpretations of the same music.
If someone told me “Bach is Bach” I would say that they aren’t listening or are not educated. There are those that play the notes and those that play the music. However, EVERYONE sounds different.
What I am getting at here is that understanding comes from experience. Everyone’s wing chun is different. The real issue is are we speaking the same language and is your teacher educated. Talking to a JKD practitioner about chi sau is pointless because there structure is completely different.
Two people perform what some would think is a bong sau. One person has a boxing stance and one person is in the Ye Gee Kim Yeung Ma. Are both people doing Wing Chun?
Whipping Hand
I actually agree with you on this! Did I take bad drugs or something?
Kevin