How do you approach forms (Kata / Taolu) within your style or art?

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[QUOTE=CYMac;1094998]You watch too much MMA and UFC too. Back to your ring, Mr.Kickboxer. Did you ever see any demonstration by shaolin monk or wudang masters showing what internal strength is? Maybe you don’t. Just some Chan style taichi master maybe even able to show you this on youtube or google too. It’s really NOT SOMETHING RARE. Don’t watch too much movies Mr.Kickboxer. You are the one who watched too much movies and not getting your hands on any real kungfu internal training and that’s why you laughed. It’s really NOT SOMETHING RARE to find! Go research yourself first, then laugh – at yourself.[/QUOTE]

You live in a fantasy world. You’re an idiot. You suck my nuts.

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[QUOTE=JamesC;1095006]You live in a fantasy world. You’re an idiot. You suck my nuts.[/QUOTE]

Really, go research before laughing too hard, I don’t want you to die from laughing. come on, have some education about kungfu first before you flip out garbage from your mouth. Internal power is just as common as bigMac. Don’t make me laugh by saying it’s movie stuff.

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[QUOTE=CYMac;1095008]Really, go research before laughing too hard, I don’t want you to die from laughing. come on, have some education about kungfu first before you flip out garbage from your mouth. Internal power is just as common as bigMac. Don’t make me laugh by saying it’s movie stuff.[/QUOTE]

You’re delusional and you need to be on medication for your psychosis.

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[QUOTE=JamesC;1095010]You’re delusional and you need to be on medication for your psychosis.[/QUOTE]

Enough, I leave.

Educate yourself on kungfu before you talk. You are making a joke out of yourself only if you say internal power is false.

Bye now.

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[QUOTE=CYMac;1094998]You watch too much MMA and UFC too. Back to your ring, Mr.Kickboxer. Did you ever see any demonstration by shaolin monk or wudang masters showing what internal strength is? Maybe you don’t. Just some Chan style taichi master maybe even able to show you this on youtube or google too. It’s really NOT SOMETHING RARE. Don’t watch too much movies Mr.Kickboxer. You are the one who watched too much movies and not getting your hands on any real kungfu internal training and that’s why you laughed. It’s really NOT SOMETHING RARE to find! Go research yourself first, then laugh – at yourself.[/QUOTE]

so that we all understand what you’re referring to, please link us to a clip that you feel demonstrates internal power.

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[QUOTE=CYMac;1095012]Enough, I leave.

Educate yourself on kungfu before you talk. You are making a joke out of yourself only if you say internal power is false.

Bye now.[/QUOTE]

I never said that. I’ve only alluded to your skills. Or, lack thereof. You suck.

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[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;1095013]so that we all understand what you’re referring to, please link us to a clip that you feel demonstrates internal power.[/QUOTE]

http://www.56.com/u28/v_MTMyNjcxNjE.html

As said in the title of the clip, see it yourself, only ONE of the many out there, you can search for it yourself. Personally, this is only one of the very common way to demonstrate it, but there are more different ones.

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[QUOTE=JamesC;1095015]I never said that. I’ve only alluded to your skills. Or, lack thereof. You suck.[/QUOTE]

Okay Kickboxer. I leave.

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[QUOTE=CYMac;1095017]Okay Kickboxer. I leave.[/QUOTE]

Please do.

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[QUOTE=JamesC;1095018]Please do.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=CYMac;1095016]http://www.56.com/u28/v_MTMyNjcxNjE.html[/quote]

Ok, so that’s your idea of internal. Thanks for clarifying.

…Personally, this is only one of the very common way to demonstrate it, but there are more different ones.

Such as…?

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[QUOTE=CYMac;1094976]If you say the combat skills is bad, then it means it is just not the same as yours, [/QUOTE]
no, it means that they are BAD; as in they are WRONG; as in when trying them on a non-compliant individual they won’t work’

[QUOTE=CYMac;1094976]but if it work for me and others, then it works. [/QUOTE]
define “work” - if you mean on compliant partners / students, that’s not a reiable or valid test

[QUOTE=CYMac;1094976]There are many people who interpret mvoes in a different way also, if they are not the same as yours, doesn’t means it is bad. We all use the forms or moves in a way that fit us the most. If you can’t understand it well, then that’s your problem. But to me., the moves do work well in combat because of skills and abilities I possess. [/QUOTE]
lol - in “combat” - WHAT combat? what is the extent of your actual combat experience, lol?

[QUOTE=CYMac;1094976]Just for example, I can block a punch and make the guy’s limb numb for over 30 sec, that’s an ability, so if other’s don’t have that power, they cannot use a move I use in my way because my skills are like that for a certain meaning. [/QUOTE]
no; you cannot do that; you can only have that effect on your brainwashed “students” who lap up your version of liquid crazy; in fact, I am so sure that you cannot do that, when I come to visit Toronto next, I am going to come to your school, I will let you hit my arm, and if you can make it go numb for even 5 seconds, I will pay you $1000.00 and call you my sifu (and we can even document it objectively - I will complete a specific fine-motor task pre- and post-application of your “numbing-the-arm” technique, one that, if my arm were truly numb, I would not be able to do; and / or I will undergo a variety of standard neurological sensorymotor assessments pre- / post- that would be altered if my arm were numb)

[QUOTE=CYMac;1094976]Anyway, I don’t think you are open enough for any discussion because you hold your standing very strong. so bye bye then.[/QUOTE]
Storm-off #4…:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=CYMac;1095012]Enough, I leave.
Educate yourself on kungfu before you talk. You are making a joke out of yourself only if you say internal power is false.
Bye now.[/QUOTE]
Storm-off #5…:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[QUOTE=CYMac;1095017]Okay Kickboxer. I leave.[/QUOTE]
Storm-off #6…:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Also, please note - if you are going to refer to someone as a kickboxer on the forum in a derogatory manner, you are supposed to use the appropriate term of Glorified Kickboxer; get it right, newbie…

[QUOTE=CYMac;1095016]http://www.56.com/u28/v_MTMyNjcxNjE.html
As said in the title of the clip, see it yourself, only ONE of the many out there, you can search for it yourself. Personally, this is only one of the very common way to demonstrate it, but there are more different ones.[/QUOTE]
no, that is a demonstration of a student who has been trained over time to respond a certain way to his teacher; the student does what he is “supposed” to do, on a non-conscious level - it’s called entrainment, and it fundamentally informs this sort of silliness;

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:DKickboxer was supposed to be an insult…? I thought he was just kissing my ass or something.

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[QUOTE=JamesC;1095024]:DKickboxer was supposed to be an insult…? I thought he was just kissing my ass or something.[/QUOTE]

For your information, being called a kickboxer in a kung fu forum is meant to be an insult. However, since most people who post here do not, or ever have practiced kung fu, the “message” gets kind of lost…:wink:

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[QUOTE=JamesC;1095024]:DKickboxer was supposed to be an insult…? I thought he was just kissing my ass or something.[/QUOTE]

no, around here it’s an insult; if you don’t believe it, search “glorified kickboxer” and see how often and in what context it comes up…

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[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1095028] since most people who post here do not, or ever have practiced kung fu, the “message” gets kind of lost…;)[/QUOTE]

yes, but that is your personal take on it, and it’s really disingenuous, since you essentially relegate people who hold opinions about TCMA contrary to your own as such - to date, you continue to believe that people holding opinions about the nature of TCMA that are in opposition to your own could not possibly be in possession of “authentic” TCMA knowledge, as opposed to the possibility that they may have understanding you do not, despite your having had certain experiences that you believe to be representative of what “authentic” TCMA is; while you do make valid points and observations about TCMA, at the same time, this perspective, IMPO, undermines your position;

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[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1095034]yes, but that is your personal take on it, and it’s really disingenuous, since you essentially relegate people who hold opinions about TCMA contrary to your own as such - to date, you continue to believe that people holding opinions about the nature of TCMA that are in opposition to your own could not possibly be in possession of “authentic” TCMA knowledge, [/QUOTE]
It is not really about people holding TCMA opinions contrary to mine, but about people who always preach the “MMA is Best”, “sparring from day one is best”, “forms are useless”, “Internals are fantasy” and similar clueless opinions, specially when given in a forum that is meant to be a Kung Fu one.

So, it is not about differences in the way valid TCMA methodologies are practiced, but about differences regarding the usual “modern” MMA mindset versus authentic TCMA practices.

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1095034]as opposed to the possibility that they may have understanding you do not, [/QUOTE]
I am sure that there are people here who have been exposed to different TCMA methodologies than I have and hence their understanding is different, but I don´t think that I have argued with these type of people often..

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1095034]despite your having had certain experiences that you believe to be representative of what “authentic” TCMA is; while you do make valid points and observations about TCMA,[/QUOTE]

Thank you. :cool::slight_smile:

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1095034]at the same time, this perspective, IMPO, undermines your position;[/QUOTE]

The above statement would apply more if I were to always criticise other valid TCMA methodologies, but I don’t.

The real problem as you probably know, is the MMA undercurrents of this forum fueled by the cross trainers with limited Kung fu experience and understanding who believe they have discovered the answers to all of their MA questions in modern MMA practices, including BJJ/ground grappling and contact sports fighting, who see themselves obliged to preach their ways, no matter which thread they participate in.

Honestly, if you search, then you will see that most of my forum arguments have been with these kung fu-clueless characters.

Also, statistically speaking, most people who even bother to go to a kung fu school in the world at large, end up practicing some Mcdojo version, so I don’t see why we should assume that most people who post here will have authentic kung fu knowledge.

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[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1095029]no, around here it’s an insult; if you don’t believe it, search “glorified kickboxer” and see how often and in what context it comes up…[/QUOTE]

But I come from Muay Thai so…?

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[QUOTE=Minghequan;1094915]How do you approach forms (Kata / Taolu) within your style or art?

Do you teach the forms meaning (i.e. Bassai Dai ~ “To Penetrate a Fortress, major”)? How do you define this?

What methods do you use to transmit the forms? Do you teach applications? If so, how do you approach this aspect?[/QUOTE]

i really do not do forms per se.

I do single move drills

and combination of 3 or 5 moves in a logical sequence.

habits from mantis and tong bei learning days in high school in 1970s.

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oh yes, it is 2011

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:slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=ginosifu;1094934]Your wrong ! A form IS a combination of fighting movements. You are disrespecting your Chinese culture by lying to people by saying you are a “SIFU”, and teaching that pile of Sh.it you call kung fu.

Forms are a set of fighting techniques linked together to create a pattern. The pattern is practiced to help with things like: Muscle memory, strength, agility, fighting with combo’s etc etc.

What a douche bag your are CYMac… if you practice kung fu forms for fun… that is ok, but do not go around telling everyone you are a Sifu and teach when you clearly are not a teacher!

ginosifu[/QUOTE]
don’t beat around the bush, Gino. Tell us how you really feel.
:smiley: