In you expeience what MA style gave you the most trouble or you found most difficult to fight aginst. I haven’t had the oppertunity to fight with anyone other then tkd people and other kicking styles.
A lot of people say the hardest people to fight is some one from your style. Is any one out there willing to admit some one gave them a run for their money, or do you guys dominate every fight you get in?
If we are talking about crossing hands or sparring I’ve played around with bjj, tkd, wc, jkd, Northern PM, boxers, tai boxers, MMA, and some other japanese styles that I can’t spell and I’m sure I’m missing someone along the lines over the years. The most difficult was the Northern Pm guys because they would switch it up and knew what I was thinking. So then it comes down to who is the better fighter rather than style.
If we are talking about steet fighting. I don’t think I’ve fought any one that trained in a certain style, maybe they did but nerves got to them and they just reverted to survival and tunnel vision. Although I’ve been up against some tough fighters. But they were just brawlers who wanted to hurt you and had been in enough fights to know how to throw down. Which when you’re in a street fight a lot of it depends on if the person is ready, willing, and able to actually hurt someone.
Why do you ask?
mma and capoeira
I asked this question because A) I met some people in my life that talk like they never lost a fight or that they completely destroy any competion they have. yet they never want to spar with me, and if they do when I hit them in a friendly i got you manner or stop short with a strike they claim that it wouldn’t work. So when I ask them if they wanna try it in real life (with power) they seem to decline my offer.
B) because there aren’t a lot of kung fu schools in Omaha that I know about. It’s mostly tkd, 1 wing chun school and 1 other school that teaches tai chi, bagua and xingyi (sp?)
C) the tournaments here are semi contact and the whole I would’ve hit you thing doesn’t work for me. also in my openion aren’t enough people to judge a form comp. with a kung fu style vs. the types of martial arts that are in my are and not be biest (sp?).
7* why is capoeira so challenging to fight?
capoeira
This sytle intrigues me. Why SevenStar do you think this is difficult to fight? I respect the Art, but they just seem so slow. Good with the leg work and pretty darn strange movement, but I do not see much at all with hands. I see too many gaps to take advantage of…jmo.
If I am not mistaken the capoeira was an african style of fighting that was transported to south america with the slave trade.
I was told that since the slaves were not allowed to practice fighting that they had to incorporate the movements into thier native dance.
That may be why you notice more kicking techniques than punching or joint locking. The kicks would be much easier to hide.
It seems to me that a system that had a couple of hundred years being hidden in dance would lose much of its effectiveness.
Mantis practicioners at one point or another in history may have had to hide to practice their mantis, but the mantis they practiced in secret was still 100% fighting techniques. This allowed the style to maintain its structural integrity.
Just my opinion. Who knows most capoeira guys could probably kick my a$$.
Have a nice day
This is a good question. I crossed hands with master Lin Mu How from Tao Yuan Taiwan head coach of the national taiji team.
I was more than impressed,and extremley humbled, every strike or attack I made was easily redireted, when I tried to redirect his attack he reversed it on me. When I tried to lock and trap he unlocked and again reversed.
After 10 good minutes of trying to enter his guard and at least hit him, I was breathing heavy and sweating. He laughed and said no… you not breath easy? Must be relax all time when fighting.
This stuck with me and I always try to breath easy ou of my nose when playing, fighting or crossing hands… it is not easy!
So I would definatly have to say taiji when done correctly by a compedent master.
Interesting enough it is said that the hardest style to defend is your own. We dont take into consideration how to defend or attack someone that is attacking and defending the same way, so this gets very tricky
Here is a picture of the man I am speaking of. For those of you in Asia would have surley heard of him. Maybe even in the US. He and his team came to the US and gave a wonderful demo at my school in 1996.
another pic
Here is the senoir team, 50 years and up, each in taji
Re: capoeira
Originally posted by yu shan
This sytle intrigues me. Why SevenStar do you think this is difficult to fight? I respect the Art, but they just seem so slow. Good with the leg work and pretty darn strange movement, but I do not see much at all with hands. I see too many gaps to take advantage of…jmo.
their basic stance movement - the jenga - is slow. the kicks are fast though, and come from unexpected angles. Also, what many people see on tv is a more flashy capoeira - I believe it’s angola. there is a more combat style called regional (i always get angola and regional mixed up, but one is combat and one is more flashy). Anyway, the combat style has LOTS of infighting and takedowns. lots of knees and elbows too. You are right about the lack of hands - they are used for defense and transitioning through techniques where they touch the ground, from what I’ve seen. But, if you’ve ever watched a traditional thai boxer, they don’t use alot of hands either, other than for defense. It’s mainly kicks, knees and elbows.
The main thing they have going is deceptiveness - you just never know where something is coming from.
Originally posted by sayloc
[B]If I am not mistaken the capoeira was an african style of fighting that was transported to south america with the slave trade.
I was told that since the slaves were not allowed to practice fighting that they had to incorporate the movements into thier native dance.
That may be why you notice more kicking techniques than punching or joint locking. The kicks would be much easier to hide.
It seems to me that a system that had a couple of hundred years being hidden in dance would lose much of its effectiveness.
Mantis practicioners at one point or another in history may have had to hide to practice their mantis, but the mantis they practiced in secret was still 100% fighting techniques. This allowed the style to maintain its structural integrity.
Just my opinion. Who knows most capoeira guys could probably kick my a$$.
Have a nice day [/B]
they’re not really hidden - not the kicks, anyway. The takedowns and infighting were, but you gotta remember how long ago that was. They are no longer slaves and aren’t restricted from training. You will learn the infighting. It’s no different from how many tma schools teach forms - you learn the form then the application. these guys are taught aspects that aren’t immediately obvious.
The hardest style for a CMA fighter to fight against is western boxing. It’s easier to fight CMA against CMA.Monkey is very difficult to fight against which is why monkey ground work with mantis hands is a very advanced method of fighting.At Nick Scrima’s tournament in Orlando this year,William Chen brought a girl that did tai chi in boxing gloves for the demo. Next day,she cleaned house in sanshou using western boxing wearing the same gloves.
Originally posted by phoenixdog
The hardest style for a CMA fighter to fight against is western boxing. It’s easier to fight CMA against CMA.Monkey is very difficult to fight against which is why monkey ground work with mantis hands is a very advanced method of fighting.At Nick Scrima’s tournament in Orlando this year,William Chen brought a girl that did tai chi in boxing gloves for the demo. Next day,she cleaned house in sanshou using western boxing wearing the same gloves.
Re: Re: capoeira
Originally posted by SevenStar
[B]But, if you’ve ever watched a traditional thai boxer, they don’t use alot of hands either, other than for defense. It’s mainly kicks, knees and elbows.
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7* I trained thai for a few years before going into Mantis. I don’t know who you have associated with, but you are mistaken to say that Muai Thai dosent use punches. If you can’t or don’t punch in a Thai fight your going to get your a$$ handed to you. Elbows and knees are thrown much less than a punch and only in close quarters.
dude… the punching associated with modern thai boxing is fairly new. since it became a sport in the 1920’s and has since largely integrated with boxing, strikes like the hook and uppercut have become more popular. Prior to that, it was straight punches that were mainly used, and they were not preferred because they do less damage.
The reason elbows are thrown less in the US is because they aren’t allowed. On occasions, they allow them in areas like vegas from what I hear, but 99 percent of the time, sanctions don’t allow them.
other things, such as bobbing and weaving are also due to integration with western boxing. Thais didn’t do it much because when you bob, you are bringing youself closer to your opponent’s knee. There have been other integrations from western boxing as well.
that said, old school thai boxing did have some arcing punches, but they were hardly used. thai boxing also has spinning and hooking kicks, but once again, they are rarely used.
tiffany and max chen are monsters…
Originally posted by phoenixdog
The hardest style for a CMA fighter to fight against is western boxing. It’s easier to fight CMA against CMA.Monkey is very difficult to fight against which is why monkey ground work with mantis hands is a very advanced method of fighting.At Nick Scrima’s tournament in Orlando this year,William Chen brought a girl that did tai chi in boxing gloves for the demo. Next day,she cleaned house in sanshou using western boxing wearing the same gloves.
other than watching tiffany, why did you pick boxing?
This is a funny response. “Well if this was 1920 instead of 2004 I’d be right” LOL!
Originally posted by SevenStar
[B]dude… the punching associated with modern thai boxing is fairly new. since it became a sport in the 1920’s and has since largely integrated with boxing, strikes like the hook and uppercut have become more popular. Prior to that, it was straight punches that were mainly used, and they were not preferred because they do less damage.
The reason elbows are thrown less in the US is because they aren’t allowed. On occasions, they allow them in areas like vegas from what I hear, but 99 percent of the time, sanctions don’t allow them.
other things, such as bobbing and weaving are also due to integration with western boxing. Thais didn’t do it much because when you bob, you are bringing youself closer to your opponent’s knee. There have been other integrations from western boxing as well.
that said, old school thai boxing did have some arcing punches, but they were hardly used. thai boxing also has spinning and hooking kicks, but once again, they are rarely used. [/B]
That’s the girl.She could take Layla Ali.What a great fight that would be.We’ve all heard the saying “kick a boxer,box a kicker”.You cannot a fight a skilled western boxer on the inside.Also agree with previous post about thai boxing, it looks like western boxing punching but it’s not even close.Thai boxing punching is closer to mantis chop,stab,etc.