Originally posted by Chief Fox
This is a funny response. “Well if this was 1920 instead of 2004 I’d be right” LOL!
LOL, you beat me to it. I’m fully aware of the history. Unless you are 90 years old and trained back then(of course they wouldn’t even consider teaching a non-asian then)
No offence guys but having been trained as a boxer it cannot be compared to modern or tradional martial arts , in its own catagory it is fine but up against a martial artist it is totally outclassed .
Feet , knees , Elbows ,fists , sweeps , throws , takedowns etc the list goes on unfortunatly boxing is outclassed . Sorry .
Originally posted by FEELERSTRIKE
No offence guys but having been trained as a boxer it cannot be compared to modern or tradional martial arts , in its own catagory it is fine but up against a martial artist it is totally outclassed .
Feet , knees , Elbows ,fists , sweeps , throws , takedowns etc the list goes on unfortunatly boxing is outclassed . Sorry .
I agree with you. It’s more of sport fighting than anything else.
I agree somewhat to what feelerstrike says. Now a boxer will have the upper hand on most fighters because they are strikers. But when you stay out of punching range or get in to trapping range they are out of their element.
Being that I was a boxer before I started training mantis I had to stop my boxing because the mantis was becoming ingrained in my movements. So I was starting to switch my footwork and other things were starting to come out when I was fighting, etc. So I was too busy trying to think of what I wasn’t allowed to do in the ring, so I gave it up and stuck with mantis. The boxer training I apply to my mantis still because it’s still close to the mindset of mantis and movements without taking away from the style.
Now with that said, a mantis practitioner who has a boxing background is all that much more stronger in the striking range. He knows how to close fight a lot better than the average mantis practitioner. Evading strikes are more integral in boxing than the average mantis training. In general all styles have something to offer and if trained right are strong in that aspect. The trick is finding a style that covers the majority of those bases if not all of them. For me it is northern mantis.
I’ve seen quite a few boxers in street fights in my time, it boiled down to just good fighters. Style didn’t really have a deciding factor in the outcomes. Hell Michael carbohal (spelling) was here at a local bar talking big game a few days ago and got knocked out with one punch by some random guy at the bar and he’s a very good boxer. So we all have it comming. It’s just a matter of being on top of your game and staying out of trouble.
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Originally posted by shirkers1
I’ve seen quite a few boxers in street fights in my time, it boiled down to just good fighters. Style didn’t really have a deciding factor in the outcomes.
It seems to be a rare occasion that we agree, but this is one of them.
Originally posted by FEELERSTRIKE
No offence guys but having been trained as a boxer it cannot be compared to modern or tradional martial arts , in its own catagory it is fine but up against a martial artist it is totally outclassed .
Feet , knees , Elbows ,fists , sweeps , throws , takedowns etc the list goes on unfortunatly boxing is outclassed . Sorry .
disagree. what you train isn’t as important as the training methods. theoretically, the one with more tools will win, but realistically, that’s not always the case.
Originally posted by cmcgee
LOL, you beat me to it. I’m fully aware of the history. Unless you are 90 years old and trained back then(of course they wouldn’t even consider teaching a non-asian then)
good, glad you’re aware. Now, watching thai boxing now, how prevalent are hook and uppercut punches among thais?
The way master chai teaches thai boxing,uppercuts are non-existent and the hook is very different from the western boxing hook.Hooks are closer in western boxing,more body.Look at any Tyson fight.Mosley/Wright 2,lost because sugar shane could not hook.
exactly.
With american thai boxers, you tend to see more of the western boxing influence, but with thais, you generally don’t see that, IME.
I have to agree, that boxing is one of the most difficullt arts to fight against.
Has anyone heard of the story about a fight that took place on a U.S warship some years ago.
Well on this ship you had your ordinary navy seaman and a group of special forces(Can’t remember if they were SEAL’s), both groups just did not get on. The sailors thought the special forces guys just too full of them selfs and that they looked down on them, while the special forces guys thought they didn’t get the respect they deserved. Well as it happend one of the special forces guys was an unarmed combat instructor and a martial artist who got into an argument with one of the cooks who happend to be a boxer. Well a fight broke out and the boxer just totally creamed the special forces guy, he totally destroyed him, even to this day people still talk about the time a cook beat up a special forces dude.
The moral of this story its not the art that wins a fight but the fighter be he martial artist or boxer.
definitely taijiquan. then again, i have no crossed that many paths and am never relaxed enough as i should be… but who is? 
the masters, i suppose.
even sigung says that his teacher tells him to relax. a lifelong process
Originally posted by CHAZ
The moral of this story its not the art that wins a fight but the fighter be he martial artist or boxer.
or that it’s neither the art nor the fighter, but the training methods…
The hardest sparring session that I have been in was with clan VP who trained in eagle claw. It was as if he was everywhere I located myself and every part of my body had a target even when defending he made me open myself to attack. He manipulated my wrist but I escaped everytime. In the end my wrist almost refused to stay still. Why’d he beat me so bad.