Hi, my nickname is Nobody74. I am a new member on this forum. I have a question regarding ground fighting and kung fu. I’d like to know if kung fu (or any style of kung fu) has ground fighting technique (it has made Brazilian jujitsu famous) in its arsenal of techniques.
I would really appreciate your input and answer to my question.
Yes.
sif we ever get taken to the ground:rolleyes:
Pins and locks are reasonably common in the chinese styles, but I have not heard of any training in positional dominance, escapes, and the like.
yep !
Monkey style.
Prodominantly fighting on the ground. But it does have a more subtle retreat and jumping techniques than BJJ
Ground Fighting
My Sifu once said to me when I asked about was ground fighting necessary to learn, he said “You find yourself on the ground give up your kung fu no good you are sh*t, wait to die down there”! I think what he meant was if you train 1000 hours in Kung Fu and then get taken down to the ground where you have had 20 hours experience what use is that 20 hours going to give you when you couldn’t even stand up with a 1000 hours training, you should have trained an extra 20 hours in Kung FU and you wouldn’t be down there being choked. Don’t underestimate groundfighters either they can turn you into a truckies knot in 3 seconds (coming from experience) but in my controlled spar I wasn’t allowed to place a hammer hit on the back of the skull when he came to tackle me or to simply do what Pak Mei did to Iron Head and simply twist the head until it goes snap. Ask your SIfu he should show you some techniques how to simply deal with some of the take downs which might simply be when he is sweeping you try not to fall by holding his throat, Who will die first? And pigs have had no experience in ground fighting but try and hold one of them down (in a non sexual manner of course) and watch them wriggle away.
Most would not consider this kung fu but since Burma has a small Chinese ethinic group, I will say the grappling art of Naban, IMHO its Burmese as you see none of it in China.
Either way it is a amazing asian grappling system, just rare here in the states, so its hard to find a player.
Whe should create pig style or is it pig stile?..:rolleyes:
fukien ground boxing(shaolin dog style fist) uses ground fighting, but the ground fighting techiniques are strikes( mostly kicks), not grappling( at least that is what i have heard)
IMO, a complete martial art system prepares you for everything. The most important thing to understand is that you never want to end up on the ground. Most likely your opponent has friends and the ground would be their friend and your enemy. First you should be taught balance and rooting, but you should also know what to do if you do go to the ground.
8 step does, monkey style has for a long time. There is folk wrestling in china as well. The chinese groundfighting styles use a lot of ground striking and try to get back up.
8 Step does it in a super low stance. This way you can take down and break multiple people. Thats what I read We do learn ground positioning, chokes, and ground locks as beggining training, usually durring sparring class which is usually nhb style. Sometimes Sifu limits us to 30 seconds to pull something off or get up, because of the “friend factor”
I’ve not seen any competant groundfighting in Chinese systems.
Stacey, so you do practice ground fighting in your kung fu training. What kind of kung fu style do you practice? And is your ground fighting technique a part of your kung fu style?
I’ve not seen any competant groundfighting in Chinese systems.
:rolleyes: Nope. No competent ground-fighting in CMAs.
How many Tai Chi schools field MMA fighters?
Yes Kung-Fu has groundfighting. Is it similar to BJJ? no, but there 2 different styles. Most KF groundfighting i’ve seen (which is not that much) seems to be involved in getting off the ground rather than fighting on the ground.
Grappling Insanity, where have you seen this? And what system (style) was it?
Originally posted by Shooter
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:rolleyes: Nope. No competent ground-fighting in CMAs.
How many Tai Chi schools field MMA fighters? [/B]
Yeah, that’s right. I also don’t like BJJ’s stand up, Boxing’s take down defenses, or Muay Thai’s qinna tecnique. Why is it that when you point out a weakness in CMA, everyone wants to whine and pretend that they have no weakness instead of adapting? CMA’s got a lot of good stuff. Groundfighting ain’t one of 'em though :rolleyes:
everyone wants to whine and pretend that they have no weakness instead of adapting? CMA’s got a lot of good stuff. Groundfighting ain’t one of 'em though
How long have you been studying Tai Chi? How have YOU adapted in your own studies to address the full scope of combatives? What research have you done into the system that would allow you to make such a general statement?
Instead of adapting? I have no formal training in BJJ or any other submission wrestling/ground-fighting system. None. I don’t own a single instructional video either. How is it then, that the TCC training I offer is effectively preparing people to deal with MMA fighters in the MMA arena ( as I’m sure we both agree that MMA is the best format for testing ground-fighting skill-sets)? I like to think the answer is that I’ve done the research, and the work required which allows me to adapt MY understanding of Tai Chi accordingly. Again, what have YOU done to understand YOUR Tai Chi? Why do you need to go outside of it, as you say, instead of adapting?
Groundfighting ain’t one of 'em though? I don’t believe you have a broad enough perspective or relative experience to make such an absolute statement. That’s my problem with what you’re trying to make others believe. Don’t blame CMAs for your lack of understanding, experience, and practical knowledge. 
Also, could you please answer the question I originally asked and that you quoted me as asking? Thanks.
Agreed…CMA has never proven itself in ground fighting. Who knows why??? Do they compete…and if not…why not???
Shooter, have you been able to use tai chi to effectively fight on the ground?