Yes. Doc Fai Wong stinks. I’ve seen him perform and although he has the moves he lacks the “intention” behind the moves. I truly believe he would get his butt kicked in any real confrontation. However, having said that I’ve seen his son perform and he looks very good. Which says alot about him as a teacher. I would think of Doc Fai Wong as a sort of Kung Fu historian, a student could learn forms from him but it would be up to the student to put the “fire” back into them. I guess I should have stated all that before. But anyone that has seen a variety of CLF masters knows what I’m saying about DFW. Just calling em as I see 'em.
well…it also says something when a person who make claims simply by a how a person does a form…
I think you may speak way ahead of yourself.
Now i am not say whether he is actually good or not I do not know it, but from what you state, You don’t seem to know anything of Doc Fai Wong’s ability in fighting at all. It’s sad really. I am not here to insult any one but to merely state obvious facts that are available.
Although it might seem childish, but i would recommend you really wittness how Doc Fai Wong fight in a battle to know, or challenge him yourself. Or even sit down with the master and ask him on why he performs the way he does. There is a lot more power than in obvious show of physical strenght…a lot more.
Why don’t you just read my profile? And while your at it why don’t you go ahead and fill yours out?
Iron_Silk-
Let me ask you a question? How many CLF masters have you seen perform? How many of them move like DFW? Answer, none. Even the Chan Family move differently. Even his own son moves differently. I think he mistook CLF for Taiji. Two different arts, two different ways to move.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> …but unfortunately your point was about his fighting ability. And not the way he performs his forms nor about the way others do. [/quote]
So, what, you’re saying that their is no connection between the two? That’s B.S., you’re understanding of the form will determine how well you fair in a fight. If you can’t execute the moves properly how could you possible use them in a fighting situation. Perhaps your one of those people that feels that forms are worthless and we should all resort to kickboxing when a real confrontation occurs? I would disagree with that.
Furthermore, when you perform for other people you should move with all the intention and power of a thunder and lightning storm. Were not doing “Senior center Taiji” here folks.
Siu Fuw I don’t take criticism seriously from people who don’t fill out their profiles. How do I know you even do kung fu? Better think quick and make something up, your losing credibility here. :rolleyes:
IT HAS LONG BEEN A TRADITION WITHIN THE HUNG SING AMERICAN BRANCH TO PUBLICLY PERFORM OUR SETS A LITTLE SLOWLY TO SHOW TECHNIQUE AND PRECISION WHILE STRIKING. BUT THAT WAS THE OLD WAY OF DOING OUR GUNG FU.
FOR EXAMPLE CHEUNG KUEN WAS ALWAYS AT FIRST TAUGHT SLOW TO TEACH STRENGTH IN THE HORSE, BUT WHEN DONE QUICKLY IT IS A PRETTY NICE SET TO WATCH. I HAVE ALSO TAKEN THE POSITION THAT IT IS OK IN THE BEGINNING TO LEARN A SET SLOWLY, BUT AS YOU MASTER IT PICK UP THE PACE.
I AM IN TOTAL AGREEANCE WITH FU POW THAT A HIGHER RANKED STUDENT NEEDS TO BRING THE POWER AND STRENGTH TO THE SURFACE. IF SUP JI KOU DA WAS DONE SLOWLY IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER TAI CHI SET.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IF YOU INTENTIONALLY PERFORM A SET SLOWLY, ONE SHOULD RESORT TO PERFORMING WITH PRECISE FLUIDITY AND EXERT DYNAMIC TENSION TO SHOW STRENGTH. ANYTHING LESS WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME.
FRAN
“graceful staff flies above like a dragon wiggling it’s tail-strong fist releases out like a tiger raising its head”
I’m in complete agreement with you. We have a set Che Kuen which is a stance training set. It is to be done slowly to build up the legs. But this would never be a performance set. I mean I guess you could make it one but it wouldn’t fly as well as Siu Mui Fa.
Iron_silk and everyone-
But anyways, what I’m getting at is that DFW purposefully tries to execute his CLF movments like Taiji. Having read articles by him it is obvious that he is more into Taiji than his CLF. As a student of both arts I can say that doing CLF like Taiji is about as ridiculous as doing Taiji like CLF. Either way, incorrect execution.
Although, CLF and Taiji are both descendants of Shaolin temple they evolved down different paths.
Different strategies, different body mechanics. Both are effective yet they met the obstacles of combat in different ways. It is commonly believed that all MA’s arrive at the same place. I think this is a misconception purported by none other than Bruce Lee. Who said something like “their is only one martial art.”
Taiji seeks to maintain a soft, sensitive outer structure to detect the opponents movment. Then at the moment of attack it uses a springy inner mechanic to penetrate. The movements require that you uninvolve your shoulders and hips and learn to extend your body “internally.” On the outside it looks soft but their is all kinds of turning and twisting on the inside.
On the other hand, CLF seeks to deceive or surprise the opponent and then batter the opponent relentlessly to the ground. Power comes from the turning of the hip and extending that power through a relaxed waist and shoulders. The body is more relaxed than in something like karate but all the muscles of the body including the shoulder and hips muscles are involved. Their is turning and twisting but it is mainly the external muscles and joints that do this.
While I don’t claim to know everything about these two arts, these are the differences as I know them.
I could put anything in there - why does that help you? Would you feel better if I put that I had 30 years of training under 10 world renowned masters? Or would that be too much to believe? Maybe something more modest - how about 10 years of training under two teachers? What you probably want me to say is something like, Oh I don’t train - I’m just a keyboard warrior. Whatever I write, you have no way of knowing if it’s true or not, so what difference does it make?
That’s the way, Frank! You have no answer, you have no facts, so start talking about having a fight again! No doubt you’ll make some rather un-subtle, unfounded and insulting references to my sexual preferences soon, when you run out of other attacks.
