Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: mantis breathing…
[QUOTE]Originally posted by themeecer
[B] This is probably going to sound rude, but I know no other way to say it. Simply, we don’t have people holding our hands on our road to mastery.
***You don’t have any one showing you ANYTHING on the road to mastery. What a cop out.
(Consequently, that is also a reason you may see bad examples of forms on the web) In the beginning we teach you the applications to the forms you are learning, especially for the 30 short forms you initially learn. Much of the moves that are taught in those are seen later in longer, more advanced forms. They are basically building blocks leading up to other things.
****So how are the basics of Tiger related to the basics of something like mantis or the basics of Taiji? These are totally different styles with different strategies and different applications. I know how you guys do it. You teach all styles as though they are ONE style and you do EVERYTHING wrong.
Once a person reaches black belt, figuring out applications is up to them. In some cases we help them out some, for example with tai chi or pau qua.
***You guys don’t know the applications because you don’t even do the forms correctly.
But for the most part it is up to the practitioner to discover the meanings behind the forms.
***But if you don’t do the form right in the first place you’ll never figure out the correct application.
Many SD blackbelts don’t bother with this, either because there is so much material they can’t make the time to do it or they don’t care.
***You guys have all kinds of forms and you don’t understand any of them. I’d rather learn from somebody that knew only one form but knew it like the back of his hand and inside out..
When you watch these guys spar they really don’t utilize anything more than what they were taught their first few months of classes, basic punches, kicks, sweeps, and combos.
****That’s because the foundation of your style is karate. And that’s all the applications that you can adequately teach. Nothing wrong with that. But you teach a bunch of crap forms that even your most advanced people don’t understand and they are totally different than karate. So you come up with crap applications that are like karate but don’t make any sense in relation to the “advanced” forms that you are teaching.
I try not to be too critical of this because I have been guilty of this as well. I am now striving to incorporate more of my material into my fighting style.
***How can you when you don’t understand how to do the form correctly.
I feel like I am at a buffet, I take what I want and leave what I don’t want.
***Too bad it all tastes like **** to begin with.
Look man. Shaolin Do is a crock. Its “Chop Suey.” A mish mash of conflicting styles and information.
Every art on your curriculum is a complete art in itself. But you have to really delve in to the inner workings of that art and make it a part of you. You have to have quality instruction from someone who has already been through the process and really understands the style.
Martial arts is built on a foundation and the more advanced aspects of the art rest on that foundation.
If I learn the basics of Hung Ga can I then go and learn the advanced forms of Southern Praying Mantis?
No, I can’t. I have to go back and learn the basics of Southern Praying Mantis.
Similarily, if I learn the basics of Karate I can’t go on to learn the advanced aspects of Taiji. They are just too different.
Granted, there will be some crossover but I’m still gonna have to go back and learn and modify my basics.
The way you guys train you are spinning your wheels.
Perhaps, it will take you another 19 years to figure that out.
