Generating power

[YungChun]

[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;820659]I don’t believe this thread. :eek:

The more body rotation you use - the more power you generate on your punches and kicks.

The more pure linear movement of the body - the less power.

Duh!!! :rolleyes:

But when you’re in very close quarters with the opportunity to land multiple straight line strikes - then completely linear striking with some extra power coming from the legs and hips wedging forward (and done perhaps with just some slight hip/shoulder rotation)…can work very well.

I think they call it wing chun kung fu. Great close quarter striking system.

But when not in very close quarters with the opportunity to strike or kick - then ROTATE.

(Unless of course landing a nice tight close quarter hook or uppercut is there for the taking).[/QUOTE]
Small rotational boost or ‘shaking’ can be almost ever present.. Torquing can also be used on the inside via guiding or pulling with one hand and hitting with the other among other things like elbows, etc.. Just like boxers often use linear moves to enter, then once he is stunned they will move in, set and apply full body torque to apply hooks and so on..

And I don’t think the linear power is lacking just different..

[Ali_R]

[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;820659]I don’t believe this thread. :eek:

The more body rotation you use - the more power you generate on your punches and kicks.

The more pure linear movement of the body - the less power.

Duh!!! :rolleyes:

But when you’re in very close quarters with the opportunity to land multiple straight line strikes - then completely linear striking with some extra power coming from the legs and hips wedging forward (and done perhaps with just some slight hip/shoulder rotation)…can work very well.

I think they call it wing chun kung fu. Great close quarter striking system.

But when not in very close quarters with the opportunity to strike or kick - then ROTATE.

(Unless of course landing a nice tight close quarter hook or uppercut is there for the taking).[/QUOTE]

Sure you don’t believe this thread, your stance would let you

Should I explain why???

Ali Rahim.

[t_niehoff]

[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;820659]I don’t believe this thread. :eek:

The more body rotation you use - the more power you generate on your punches and kicks.

The more pure linear movement of the body - the less power.

Duh!!! :rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]

This is because you have not developed your YJKYM (TWC doesn’t use that power source), so all you have is rotation.

But when you’re in very close quarters with the opportunity to land multiple straight line strikes - then completely linear striking with some extra power coming from the legs and hips wedging forward (and done perhaps with just some slight hip/shoulder rotation)…can work very well.

I think they call it wing chun kung fu. Great close quarter striking system.

But when not in very close quarters with the opportunity to strike or kick - then ROTATE.

(Unless of course landing a nice tight close quarter hook or uppercut is there for the taking).

When you are in contact (attached) and rotate for power, you’ll find yourself on your ass if your opponent is any good. Here’s a simple demo: you and a partner face each other in matching “neutral” stances (like you do in chi sao) and have a partner hold on to your upper arms, now rotate quickly and try to hit him. Have him just twist you (in the direction of your turn) to throw you off balance. This is your flying lesson. Turning on the inside (when in contact) is almost always a mistake. The only reason to turn is to break the opponent’s structure.

[Ali_R]

[QUOTE=t_niehoff;820668]This is because you have not developed your YJKYM (TWC doesn’t use that power source), so all you have is rotation.[/QUOTE]

Oh Yeah!!! :D:D:D

Ali Rahim.

[k_gledhill]

turning to face and striking at the same time ends up on what foot for delivery and follow through ? balistic lateral force of the arms is so we dont turn away from thre opponent to try and generate force and over turn ourselves before a guy in front of us fighting, using just that mistake… i think terence and I agree on soemthing:eek:

[monji112000]

[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;820659]I don’t believe this thread. :eek:

The more body rotation you use - the more power you generate on your punches and kicks.

The more pure linear movement of the body - the less power.

Duh!!! :rolleyes:

But when you’re in very close quarters with the opportunity to land multiple straight line strikes - then completely linear striking with some extra power coming from the legs and hips wedging forward (and done perhaps with just some slight hip/shoulder rotation)…can work very well.

I think they call it wing chun kung fu. Great close quarter striking system.

But when not in very close quarters with the opportunity to strike or kick - then ROTATE.

(Unless of course landing a nice tight close quarter hook or uppercut is there for the taking).[/QUOTE]

the name wing chun means different things to different people. Its just a name.
I can’t say if landing multiple strikes are going to be the best scenario or not you need more detail. Multiple weak strikes in close distance may be the worst thing possible. It may make more sense (safer) to get some distance and hit with more power. That may not be possible so you may need to setup a stronger attack with a weaker attack. its all relative. I personally prefer the weaker attacks at a longer distance, becouse of their speed. I can setup for a kick or knee.

[QUOTE=YungChun;820651]I agree that control is a part of the system… Whereby we can control or issue force with one hand/arm and strike with the other.. On the other hand, pardon the pun depending on what they do, one may need to only strike with body power to control, eg blast them down. Well delivered strikes under the right conditions DO CONTROL AND DISPLACE the opponent’s counter attacks.. This is why we attack their core with ours… The stream of water–continuous flow of attack..

Start with your hands down and let me start attacking you.. I guarantee I’ll control you..

I have seen many of Alan’s clips where he is doing just that–controlling via striking, perhaps he will comment.[/QUOTE]
Striking is a very effective way to control the opponent and setup.
I have started many fights with my hands down, I wouldn’t suggest it but I didn’t have much of a choice.

Distance doesn’t limit your ability to use your whole body in your strikes, a knee or elbow still needs more than just the power from the limb. I can sop sao from a close distance and still use my whole body. You don’t need to be static to use “structure”. just look at all the sports that use good “structure”. a perfect example is a runner at the mark. Watch a good runner its like a explosion.. :o

[t_niehoff]

[QUOTE=YungChun;820661]All I can say is control with whatever you need.. Smaller folks may see things differently, I know 95% of the time I will send my opponent flying away or crashing down to the ground if I am using my body to deliver attacks into his core.. You have to define when something is appropriate or not, and that depends on the person… Again, if his arm/hands are leaving the line, meaning moving away from his core then I want to attack that core not chase his hand(s).. But I agree there are exceptions and again if he is wide open I am going to blow him down and I have the power to do it.[/QUOTE]

You can’t “wait” to see if your strike works to see whether it was “appropriate” – I assume it won’t work. I plan for the worst and hope for the best. If you hope for the best (my strike will takecare of it) and it doesn’t, you’re eating punches. If you plan for the worst and your strike does take care of it – great! But if not, you’ve lost nothing.

Seriously, go down to a good MMA gym and realistically spar with some decent people – see if you get the same 95% “success rate”. You won’t. Not by a long measure. And I’m not saying this to be a jerk. But I know from experience that the things we think work so well in class, against other WCK people, against other nonfighters, etc. just fall apart when you try them against competant people in realistic sparring/fighting. When you experience that, it will change your perception and your views.

[monji112000]

[QUOTE=k gledhill;820670]turning to face and striking at the same time ends up on what foot for delivery and follow through ? balistic lateral force of the arms is so we dont turn away from thre opponent to try and generate force and over turn ourselves before a guy in front of us fighting, using just that mistake… i think terence and I agree on soemthing:eek:[/QUOTE]

I don’t follow you. What is ballistic lateral force? what is ykjm whatever, is that just a horse stance?

[YungChun]

[QUOTE=t_niehoff;820673]You can’t “wait” to see if your strike works to see whether it was “appropriate” – I assume it won’t work. I plan for the worst and hope for the best. If you hope for the best (my strike will takecare of it) and it doesn’t, you’re eating punches. If you plan for the worst and your strike does take care of it – great! But if not, you’ve lost nothing.

Seriously, go down to a good MMA gym and realistically spar with some decent people – see if you get the same 95 “success rate”. You won’t. Not by a long measure. And I’m not saying this to be a jerk. But I know from experience that the things we think work so well in class, against other WCK people, against other nonfighters, etc. just fall apart when you try them against competant people in realistic sparring/fighting. When you experience that, it will change your perception and your views.[/QUOTE]
I’ve even seen this work in the UFC.. Looked like chain punching, but it wasn’t.. I think Dale knows the match, or someone.. Hit him all the way across the octagon and KO’d him.

Once I get my position and IF his arms, hands are leaving the line it’s my job to take his space with my body and drive through him with my ATTACKS.. See position and energy are just as much about striking.. Getting in and under him while you deliver powerful and continuous strikes is also a part of the system and honestly more useful than many other things within IMO..

Again… We see Alan doing this–using striking to control, I know I can do it too as I have done it, the key is not in WAITING to see, the key is knowing you have the distance, position and feeling your power breaking him down, that simple..

[k_gledhill]

the freefighting is based off linear strikes /kicks against someone trying to use conventional turning force…blocks across their lines, aka ‘chasing’ a straight line with a curve ..we only need to worry about whats coming back on the line we are facing because of this knowledge…
a onesided fighter hasnt got to much to offer a fighter who fights with 2 arms equally , but not extended together …fighting one unskilled in intercepting , beyond a jab

[sanjuro_ronin]

[QUOTE=YungChun;820676]I’ve even seen this work in the UFC.. Looked like chain punching, but it wasn’t.. I think Dale knows the match, or someone.. Hit him all the way across the octagon and KO’d him.

Once I get my position and IF his arms, hands are leaving the line it’s my job to take his space with my body and drive through him with my ATTACKS.. See position and energy are just as much about striking.. Getting in and under him while you deliver powerful and continuous strikes is also a part of the system and honestly more useful than many other things within IMO..

Again… We see Alan doing this–using striking to control, I know I can do it too as I have done it, the key is not in WAITING to see, the key is knowing you have the distance, position and feeling your power breaking him down, that simple..[/QUOTE]

That was victor belfort.

[monji112000]

[QUOTE=k gledhill;820678]the freefighting is based off linear strikes /kicks against someone trying to use conventional turning force…blocks across their lines, aka ‘chasing’ a straight line with a curve ..we only need to worry about whats coming back on the line we are facing because of this knowledge…
a onesided fighter hasnt got to much to offer a fighter who fights with 2 arms equally , but not extended together …fighting one unskilled in intercepting , beyond a jab[/QUOTE]
nope still lost again I am pretty dumb. back on the line? how did it get off the line? what line? How do you fight with 2 arms equally? are you talking about a po pi or flower fist or something were you extend both hands at the same time?

[YungChun]

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;820680]That was victor belfort.[/QUOTE]
Thank you..

[monji112000]

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;820680]That was victor belfort.[/QUOTE]

yah and he was turning his body. its not a chain punch, its nothing like a chain punch.

[YungChun]

[QUOTE=monji112000;820684]yah and he was turning his body. its not a chain punch, its nothing like a chain punch.[/QUOTE]
Well the match I am referring to involved the attacker hitting using linear strikes in rapid succession into the center or core of the opponent, which drove him across the octagon and into la la land.. Conceptually identical to the tactic I am talking about.

[Ali_R]

[QUOTE=Hendrik;820567]listern to heart, using heart,
speak with heart, how rare are they in this world.

peace[/QUOTE]

Hello Hendrik,

Peace and much love too you… :):D:)

Ali Rahim.

[k_gledhill]

2 arms that can reach over 1 arm and be either hitting or the other deflecting, trapping , parrying while both can alternate to strike the basic idea of SLT , while FACING a straight on line of attack [ but our line is never face to face if we can avoid it, ie flanking , blidsides] against a guy who fights one sided ..lead left jab etc… once we start to fight we maintain facing to either let the guy move across our centerlines on his own TURNING TRYING TO USE FORCE and fight in an opportunistic manner, or we grab him and put him where we want 2 hands in rotation along a self clearing zone , done at the beginning of every form and maneuvered by chum kil…some think its a hi lo w double block called gaun sao ? why do double block before every form ; ) its an attacking offensive way..

[sanjuro_ronin]

[QUOTE=YungChun;820685]Well the match I am referring to involved the attacker hitting using linear strikes in rapid succession into the center or core of the opponent, which drove him across the octagon and into la la land.. Conceptually identical to the tactic I am talking about.[/QUOTE]

and it actually worked.

[YungChun]

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;820689]and it actually worked.[/QUOTE]
And I would suggest that the reason it worked is because the conditions I mentioned earlier were in effect..

[sanjuro_ronin]

[QUOTE=YungChun;820690]And I would suggest that the reason it worked is because the conditions I mentioned earlier were in effect..[/QUOTE]

Nope, Victor had his chi in the right place