[QUOTE=Frost;974745]Oh and since this was originally about chimps….. one reson they are said to be stronger according to the latest findings is because their muscular architecture is different from ours, certain studies have shown our muscle fibers are smaller and weaker than there’s. up to an 8th of the size. In addition it has also been argued that apes have less grey matter in their spinal cords than humans have. More grey matter in humans means more motor neurons, and more muscle control. This means humans have more fine motor control allowing us to perform delicate tasks such as manipulate small objects, make complex tools or throw accurately but also prevents us from performing great feats of strength
On the other hand, since chimps have fewer motor neurons, each neuron triggers a higher number of muscle fibers, its more of an all or nothing approach
Or it could be because I have been giving them Olympic lifting lessons :o)[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, but there is another factor that makes these animals stronger or more efficient in issuing strength and power (of course, I am not trying to take away credit from your hard efforts in teaching them Olympic weight lifting techniques :D).
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;974748]could be that or the cross training drills i’m putting them through might have something to do with it as well. :)[/QUOTE]
I doubt it. It is probably confusing them more than usual. Soon they will be posting their kung fu “knowledge” in internet forums just like the rest of the “I know every thing because I cross train in everything” ,Kung fu- clueless, MA-ists…LOL.
Just look at this forum and you will see what I mean.
I doubt it. It is probably confusing them more than usual. Soon they will be posting their kung fu “knowledge” in internet forums just like the rest of the “I know every thing because I cross train in everything” ,Kung fu- clueless, MA-ists…LOL.
Just look at this forum and you will see what I mean.
speaking of mindless chimps…
did you finally perfect your fireball/chi powers enough to not have to answer us clueless masses with your boundless knowledge of the fighting terrain? I wish you would hurry up…
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;974883]
Anyway I am still waiting for him to come back to me but he won’t because he is not familiar with that particular Chow Gar methodology, just like you aren’t, but none of you have the honesty nor the self confidence to say so.
HW108[/QUOTE]
You know what: Fck you. I don’t give a sht what you think about my training, or about other people’s training, or even about your own goddammed training.
What I DO give a sht about, though, is bullsht statements like the one you just made, about none of us having the honesty nor the self confidence to admit ignorance. I don’t care if you meant “just person X and just person Y”; what you wrote includes everyone on this thread, and you KNOW it.
And that means it includes me. And you and I both know what the f*ck I have to say about that.
You know why I don’t get on other people’s backs about sht like this? 'Cause they have the courtesy to keep their problems with you out of their replies to me. They don’t go around making insulting blanket statements - they use words like “some” and “many” and “most,” more than words like “any” and “every” and “all.” Still, if anyone pulled the sht you were pulling in the way you were pulling it with me, I’d be the same with them.
So fck you for calling me dishonest or lacking in self-confidence. Fck you for continuing to fan the flames of arrogance and contempt. You can be interesting to chat with, but if having a reasonable conversation with you constantly requires having to deal with these kinds of A$$ statements and attitudes, then I’d rather avoid conversing with you altogether.
[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;974890]You know what: Fck you. I don’t give a sht what you think about my training, or about other people’s training, or even about your own goddammed training.
What I DO give a sht about, though, is bullsht statements like the one you just made, about none of us having the honesty nor the self confidence to admit ignorance. I don’t care if you meant “just person X and just person Y”; what you wrote includes everyone on this thread, and you KNOW it.
And that means it includes me. And you and I both know what the f*ck I have to say about that.
You know why I don’t get on other people’s backs about sht like this? 'Cause they have the courtesy to keep their problems with you out of their replies to me. They don’t go around making insulting blanket statements - they use words like “some” and “many” and “most,” more than words like “any” and “every” and “all.” Still, if anyone pulled the sht you were pulling in the way you were pulling it with me, I’d be the same with them.
So fck you for calling me dishonest or lacking in self-confidence. Fck you for continuing to fan the flames of arrogance and contempt. You can be interesting to chat with, but if having a reasonable conversation with you constantly requires having to deal with these kinds of A$$ statements and attitudes, then I’d rather avoid conversing with you altogether.[/QUOTE]
Hey cool down. You were not the subject matter of my post. The subject matter of my post were the people who ridiculed the poster “David” and his lineage of Chow Gar’s approach to power/strength building.
I will add that you not being familiar with that particular methodology does not make you an object of negativity from me. Nobody is familiar with every TCMA methodology under the sun. Not you, not me and certainly not any of the cross training know it alls here. However, you (and Ten Tigers) managed to DISCUSS the matter with relevance where as others here were defending egos using their usual clueless angle.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;974888]speaking of mindless chimps… [/quote]
Leave the chimps alone, let them concentrate on their Olympic weight training. Some say that this will help their kung fu.
None of us have boundless knowledge but it is worth remembering that each one of us has knowledge that is relevant to what we specialize in. So we should all know our limits and boundaries, specially when it comes to giving opinion or criticizing unfamiliar methodologies that others may have actual experience in, and hence understanding of.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;974892]
Or are you just having a bad day?
HW108[/QUOTE]
It’s Monday, and I’m trying to quit smoking. I fail for having started. Here’s to hoping I can win and quit.
That does NOT excuse the fact that when you make blanket statements such as the one above on a forum, you blanket everyone, including both TenTigers and I, and anyone else who doesn’t deserve it.
Do you see why this is pi$$ing me off? Even without the quitting smoking? Up to this point, have you not seen how statements like that might be interpreted by others? Maybe TenTigers and others won’t say anything about it, but it’s likely that if you keep sh!t like that up, they’re not gonna be all that keen on getting into conversations with you. So YOU cool it, unless you want to spend the rest of your time on this forum alienating everyone.
Back to Kung Fu.
Here’s a question: what kind of personal preparation is required by your lineage before beginning postural sinew/tendon training? Is there any meditation, or relaxed alignment exercises, or breathing progressions to be done beforehand? Are there any combatives taught prior to sinew/tendon changing?
[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;974902]It’s Monday, and I’m trying to quit smoking. I fail for having started. Here’s to hoping I can win and quit.[/quote]
I hope that you succeed as you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by quitting.
Sorry, the blanket statement was aimed at people that blindly criticized the approach without having a clue about that particular methodology, and even went on to give “weight lifting” advice.
I suspect that you and Ten Tigers were not familiar with it either but so what? There are many methodologies that I am not familiar with either (Are we going to have some knucklehead quote that last sentence and say, “hey HW admits that he doesn’t know certain things, that puts us ahead of him because we know everything” LOL), . That is how life is.
I believe that there are very few people who are familiar with all the TCMA methodologies on this planet. I don’t believe that you and Ten Tigers are pretending to be internal grand masters either. So, why take offence? You discussed it intelligently. Wether you believe in its validity or not is immaterial as you did not ridicule it, nor make any clueless comments. Furthermore, perhaps one day you will change your minds through personal experience or perhaps not.
The fact is you discussed the matter whereas others with “decades” of experience were being pompously insecure and were generally pi$$ing against the wind.
What I see may not be the what you want me to see.
Well I don’t. There are “others” here who get insecure and attack every time they are presented with methodologies they do not understand!
They do so because they are too insecure and afraid to admit that they are unfamiliar about certain methodologies. It is an EGO thing. Their “decades” of experience and “rich” MA resumés have not helped these poor souls to defeat their own egos. Kind of ironic from a deeper TCMA perspective, if I do say so myself.
There are other, “others” here that ridicule one for being honest enough for saying what he does not know (read: Sanjuro ronin). Then they turn around and ridicule the same person for knowing something they don’t know, because they need to project an all knowing image to the rest of the forum posters, so as to fill in emotional and psychological gaps that their years of cross training has failed to do.
What I am saying is that there is a lot in TCMAs that we don’t know, no matter what our egos tell us. There are masters out there ( real ones and not internet forum kick boxers) that have been training their given art for maybe 4, 5 or more decades and have a knowledge base that we can only dream about but some of them are humble enough to say that they are still learning and that there is a lot more to learn.
Yet we have Jack of all trades, “know it alls” who say that they have figured out the TCMAs and there is nothing they don’t know. Of course, when pushed to show their knowledge they will change the subject (read: Sanjuro and a few others).
I am mentioning these people because they are relevant to our discussion!!!
So, I am saying that if you see insults in what I write then it is in your own head. I have said this before regarding this subject. I (and David) hinted at a lesser known but valid and POWERFUL TCMA methodology. Either one can take it or leave it. Ultimately one will know the value of this by doing it himself.
Forums such as this are for us to give info (admittedly, up to a point!) and discuss relevant topics. What I won’t stand for is for Tae Kwon Do experts and/or kickboxers and in general, people with questionable TCMA knowledge bases criticizing TCMA methodologies that they are evidently and BEYOND DOUBT clueless about!!!
There are many people who search the internet to get an idea about TCMA training and they will not need to be told about the benefits of Olympic weight training for Chow Gar practice by what seemed to be the clueless majority (include the Mcdojo phenomenom in this), who had the person, David, who had the ACTUAL experience of the authentic Chow Gar methodology, put on the defensive, by their idiotic posts!!!
All I am able to say is that there are some distinct for the style stretching and internal training exercises. There is standing stillness exercise as well.
Of course, he then used another escape tactic by pretending that I was “coming on to him”. LOL.
It would be so much less humiliating for him just to say that he was not familiar with that particular Chow Gar methodology, but no, he keeps on pretending that not only he is a jack of all trades but also master of all trades too…LOL. Very sad!
You guys should defeat your own d@mn egos before worrying about defeating other MA-ists!
Anyway I am still waiting for him to come back to me but he won’t because he is not familiar with that particular Chow Gar methodology, just like you aren’t, but none of you have the honesty nor the self confidence to say so. So you criticize and even give advice about a way of practice that you know nothing about.
Of course, I am not discounting the possiblility that Sanjuro will come back with a general, but clueless, statement (just like he so often does to look credible, LOL) after a bout of Googling!
HW108[/QUOTE]
Actually where did I give David advice on chow gar, or even criticise it? he came onto the thread saying the following
[B]Originally Posted by David
“What I’m asking is why do people WASTE TIME on generic muscle-building activities, if not for vanity?”
Originally Posted by David
“A bigger muscle is likely to be an inefficient one: inefficient in power to volume and green in the sense it’s half-baked with regards to motor control. A “fully baked” muscle will be smaller and know its place in the symphony of action which is application.”
Originally Posted by David
“If you’re too lazy to train your MA, then you could cop out to weights to make yourself feel better about yourself, but it won’t help you fight.”
Originally Posted by David
“modern athletic training is not grown out of traditional knowledge or lines of enquiry, being reduced to some fairly low level themes. Worse than that, it’s actually the wrong subject area, because MA isn’t athletics. It’s bugging me that I can’t remember the text (forum post or article) which made sense of it to me. Basically, this article didn’t tell me anything new, it just made me feel like an idiot for ignoring what my teacher said to do.”[/B]
I argued David was wrong, that people were not wasting their time by lifting weights and gaining muscle, that his view that lifting weights meant you were too lazy and a cop out from actual proper MA training was wrong…. That modern methods are every bit as good as the ancient ones for developing speed power athletic and fighting ability etc. That he was wrong when he said that martial arts is not an athletic endeavour, that his idea of a half baked muscle was just silly.
Where did I mention chow gar, or chow gars methology? I argued his views on modern training methods were wrong and ill informed, I asked what experience he had in modern methods of training to make his views valid, or what experience he had of fighting to be able to say weight lifting won’t aid you in a fight…. I said I had knowledge of Ging, iron palm and iron body, I never said I knew chow gar’s methods.
glad you have met are local Carpetbagger. Argue away… i know i’ve spent useless time at work arguing my point with him but alas to no avail though. Good luck with it I hope you have better luck than me. I’ll be in the stands routing.
What I am saying is that there is a lot in TCMAs that we don’t know, no matter what our egos tell us. There are masters out there ( real ones and not internet forum kick boxers) that have been training their given art for maybe 4, 5 or more decades and have a knowledge base that we can only dream about but some of them are humble enough to say that they are still learning and that there is a lot more to learn
Do us all a favor. Find the nearest cliff and throw yourself off. That is all.
[QUOTE=Frost;974920]Actually where did I give David advice on chow gar, or even criticise it? he came onto the thread saying the following
[B]Originally Posted by David
“What I’m asking is why do people WASTE TIME on generic muscle-building activities, if not for vanity?”
Originally Posted by David
“A bigger muscle is likely to be an inefficient one: inefficient in power to volume and green in the sense it’s half-baked with regards to motor control. A “fully baked” muscle will be smaller and know its place in the symphony of action which is application.”
Originally Posted by David
“If you’re too lazy to train your MA, then you could cop out to weights to make yourself feel better about yourself, but it won’t help you fight.”
Originally Posted by David
“modern athletic training is not grown out of traditional knowledge or lines of enquiry, being reduced to some fairly low level themes. Worse than that, it’s actually the wrong subject area, because MA isn’t athletics. It’s bugging me that I can’t remember the text (forum post or article) which made sense of it to me. Basically, this article didn’t tell me anything new, it just made me feel like an idiot for ignoring what my teacher said to do.”[/B]
I argued David was wrong, that people were not wasting their time by lifting weights and gaining muscle, that his view that lifting weights meant you were too lazy and a cop out from actual proper MA training was wrong…. That modern methods are every bit as good as the ancient ones for developing speed power athletic and fighting ability etc. That he was wrong when he said that martial arts is not an athletic endeavour, that his idea of a half baked muscle was just silly.
Where did I mention chow gar, or chow gars methology? I argued his views on modern training methods were wrong and ill informed, I asked what experience he had in modern methods of training to make his views valid, or what experience he had of fighting to be able to say weight lifting won’t aid you in a fight…. I said I had knowledge of Ging, iron palm and iron body, I never said I knew chow gar’s methods.[/QUOTE]
Dude, don’t bother, really, just enjoy and have fun.
People will always see what they want to see so as to not shatter their fragile little dress-up larp world.
Besides, you should have seen the pics he sent me in all his spartan glory !
LOL !
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;974949]Dude, don’t bother, really, just enjoy and have fun.
People will always see what they want to see so as to not shatter their fragile little dress-up larp world.
Besides, you should have seen the pics he sent me in all his spartan glory !
LOL ![/QUOTE]
Dude please its my lunch time! :eek:
the only way to redeem yourself after that horrible mental image is to post a nice picture for us all to drawl over
i dont think hes trolling i think he has mental problem
those kind of people try to find sense of power on the internet
whats sad is a lot of us had illusions about kung fu but we move on. i got over it when i was 13 i dont understand how some 30 year old guy can be like that.
[QUOTE=bawang;974966]i dont think hes trolling i think he has mental problem
those kind of people try to find sense of power on the internet
whats sad is a lot of us had illusions about kung fu but we move on. i got over it when i was 13 i dont understand how some 30 year old guy can be like that.[/QUOTE]
Well, leave it to Bawang to state the truth in this and ruin all our fun !
