[QUOTE=bawang;974995][/QUOTE]
Hey, HW8 sent you his pic too?
Now I am jealous !!
:mad:
he can never look as awesome and manly as that guy
lol just lol:p
[QUOTE=Frost;974920]Originally Posted by David
What I’m asking is why do people WASTE TIME on generic muscle-building activities, if not for vanity?[/QUOTE]
this is nothing more than projection of David’ own internal bias - who is he to decide that “vanity” is the driving force for “generic” (whatever that means) muscle building? and why is it a “waste of time”? the implication is that he is not vain and is spending his own time wisely, because he has chosen not to pursue “generic” muscle building; unfortunately, it just makes him look like an asz-hole more than anything else
[QUOTE=Frost;974920]Originally Posted by David
A bigger muscle is likely to be an inefficient one: inefficient in power to volume and green in the sense it’s half-baked with regards to motor control. A “fully baked” muscle will be smaller and know its place in the symphony of action which is application.[/QUOTE]
people who mix physiology terms (talking about muscle mass relative to efficiency) w/metaphorical imagery (muscle being “half-baked” and “symphony” of movement), should be taken out and smacked around, because it’s intellectually dishonest: don’t use metaphor to try to compensate for your lack of physiology knowledge;
[QUOTE=Frost;974920]Originally Posted by David
If you’re too lazy to train your MA, then you could cop out to weights to make yourself feel better about yourself, but it won’t help you fight.[/QUOTE]
right, because training weights is just the epitome of laziness…and having increased muscle strength certainly is of no use for fighting at all…:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Frost;974920]Originally Posted by David
modern athletic training is not grown out of traditional knowledge or lines of enquiry, being reduced to some fairly low level themes. Worse than that, it’s actually the wrong subject area, because MA isn’t athletics. It’s bugging me that I can’t remember the text (forum post or article) which made sense of it to me. Basically, this article didn’t tell me anything new, it just made me feel like an idiot for ignoring what my teacher said to do.[/QUOTE]
now he’s just drunk - he has NO IDEA what modern athletic training has “grown” out of - his implication is that it sprung ex nihilo into existence at some point - he should do a little research before making ridiculous statements…
not saying anything about Chow Ga, but in regards to the above, this guy has basically bought into a bunch of myths that he employs to make him feel secure about his personal training regimen; why can’t he just stick to what he knows instead of projecting into areas in which he lacks knowledge?
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;975015]this is nothing more than projection of David’ own internal bias - who is he to decide that “vanity” is the driving force for “generic” (whatever that means) muscle building? and why is it a “waste of time”? the implication is that he is not vain and is spending his own time wisely, because he has chosen not to pursue “generic” muscle building; unfortunately, it just makes him look like an asz-hole more than anything else
people who mix physiology terms (talking about muscle mass relative to efficiency) w/metaphorical imagery (muscle being “half-baked” and “symphony” of movement), should be taken out and smacked around, because it’s intellectually dishonest: don’t use metaphor to try to compensate for your lack of physiology knowledge;
right, because training weights is just the epitome of laziness…and having increased muscle strength certainly is of no use for fighting at all…:rolleyes:
now he’s just drunk - he has NO IDEA what modern athletic training has “grown” out of - his implication is that it sprung ex nihilo into existence at some point - he should do a little research before making ridiculous statements…
not saying anything about Chow Ga, but in regards to the above, this guy has basically bought into a bunch of myths that he employs to make him feel secure about his personal training regimen; why can’t he just stick to what he knows instead of projecting into areas in which he lacks knowledge?[/QUOTE]
It may well be that he has been fed this **** by his sifu and believes it 100%, in which case they are BOTH to blame.
But only David can say for sure where he got these erroneous views.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;974947]Why do you guys bother with the retarded trolls on here? It’s a complete waste of time.[/QUOTE]
They bother with you because they find you amazing. I mean to have a genuine master such as CTS teaching you for, here we go again, “decades” and then seeing you end up as one of New York’s dime a dozen kick boxing coaches, will always amaze them , making you a beacon for all MA retards out there, 
HW108
[QUOTE=Frost;974920]Actually where did I give David advice on chow gar, or even criticise it? he came onto the thread saying the following
[B]Originally Posted by David
“What I’m asking is why do people WASTE TIME on generic muscle-building activities, if not for vanity?”
Originally Posted by David
“A bigger muscle is likely to be an inefficient one: inefficient in power to volume and green in the sense it’s half-baked with regards to motor control. A “fully baked” muscle will be smaller and know its place in the symphony of action which is application.”
Originally Posted by David
“If you’re too lazy to train your MA, then you could cop out to weights to make yourself feel better about yourself, but it won’t help you fight.”
Originally Posted by David
“modern athletic training is not grown out of traditional knowledge or lines of enquiry, being reduced to some fairly low level themes. Worse than that, it’s actually the wrong subject area, because MA isn’t athletics. It’s bugging me that I can’t remember the text (forum post or article) which made sense of it to me. Basically, this article didn’t tell me anything new, it just made me feel like an idiot for ignoring what my teacher said to do.”[/B]
I argued David was wrong, that people were not wasting their time by lifting weights and gaining muscle, that his view that lifting weights meant you were too lazy and a cop out from actual proper MA training was wrong…. That modern methods are every bit as good as the ancient ones for developing speed power athletic and fighting ability etc. That he was wrong when he said that martial arts is not an athletic endeavour, that his idea of a half baked muscle was just silly.
Where did I mention chow gar, or chow gars methology? I argued his views on modern training methods were wrong and ill informed, I asked what experience he had in modern methods of training to make his views valid, or what experience he had of fighting to be able to say weight lifting won’t aid you in a fight…. I said I had knowledge of Ging, iron palm and iron body, I never said I knew chow gar’s methods.[/QUOTE]
No doubt that David could have presented his case better for you guys. However, the fact remains that you would not have responded to him the way you did if you had even the minute familiarity with the methodology he was describing. I did because I have experience of that system. Furthermore, the Wing Chun lineage that I practice does not practice weight training as such. So, to me this “phenomenom” is not so strange.
Others here have no clue about this type of methodologies and hence the aggressive/defensive/insecure attitude towards David and then me. And usually, it is always the same people, that is, the forum’s cross training, “modern is better” majority and their hangers on!
Here is my response to Sanjuro when he denied that any one had ridiculed David:
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=972765&postcount=29
Don’ t blame me for seeing ridicule in those posts!
HW108
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;974945]Do us all a favor. Find the nearest cliff and throw yourself off. That is all.:)[/QUOTE]
Do me a favor, make sure you are standing under that cliff when I throw myself down.
HW108
PS. What part of my post you quoted you found so out of this world? Or do you think that you have figured out all TCMA training under the sun and gone to “higher” things? If so, then you are in good (knucklehead) company, LOl,lol,lol
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;974948]Dude, you flirt !!
:p[/QUOTE]
Sanjuro has muscles?
Beach muscles?
Your vanity trickling through? I guess David was not so off the mark after all, LOL
i was hanging out with bawang last weekend, and he does indeed look like that.
he wouldnt even put a shirt on when we went to get food at Big Hungry Al’s Gator Farm. He just pointed at the swamp and said, “ill take that one”
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;974949]Dude, don’t bother, really, just enjoy and have fun.
People will always see what they want to see so as to not shatter their fragile little dress-up larp world.[/quote]
That is more or less what someone said when they PMed me about me interacting with you clueless kickboxers here. He said that the “core” of your training mindsets was erroneous, hence I was wasting my time.
And Sanjuro’s h0mosexual fantasies continue…LOL…hurry up post some pictures of sexy women so as to convince every one (and yourself) here that you are a heterosexual…LOL
[QUOTE=Lucas;975107]i was hanging out with bawang last weekend, and he does indeed look like that.
he wouldnt even put a shirt on when we went to get food at Big Hungry Al’s Gator Farm. He just pointed at the swamp and said, “ill take that one”[/QUOTE]
Did he bring his tai chi balls?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;975018]It may well be that he has been fed this **** by his sifu and believes it 100%, in which case they are BOTH to blame.
But only David can say for sure where he got these erroneous views.[/QUOTE]
Is Clueless Sanjuro making negative insinuations about David Ip, the heir to the Chow Gar lineage?
Boy, it would be so easy for you guys to just say that you are unfamiliar with this methodology’s approach to strength/power building, but yet your d@mn egos don’t let you. And every time you attempt to “win”, you come up with more clueless and idiotic comments. Let it go, just let it go as you have absolutely no base of reference !!!
[QUOTE=bawang;974966]i dont think hes trolling i think he has mental problem
those kind of people try to find sense of power on the internet
whats sad is a lot of us had illusions about kung fu but we move on. i got over it when i was 13 i dont understand how some 30 year old guy can be like that.[/QUOTE]
Bawang, just go and play with your Tai Chi balls. Your posts are becoming more idiotic as you attempt to come off “intelligent”.
YOu have no idea of the methodology that is being discussed. If you are really interested then enquire about the Hakka arts with people who may know about them personally and ask them about their tendon development methodology. Even then you may come across some who use weights very “carefully” in their methodology. You may also come across yet others who will use some kind of weights to TEST their results (strength,body connectivity, etc) after initially doing without them.
Finally, you should come across people who do not use weight training at all in their strength building methodology. Please, please, do be polite in your enquiries as you would not want those guys to stick your taji ji balls up your @ss as this might give you further brain damage (that you can’t afford)!
And to finish, this is a baguazhang master based in China. Read the interview and see for yourself. Feel free to email him and tell him that he has mental problems too:
http://www.chinafrominside.com/ma/bagua/machuanxu.html
HW108
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;975103]No doubt that David could have presented his case better for you guys. However, the fact remains that you would not have responded to him the way you did if you had even the minute familiarity with the methodology he was describing. I did because I have experience of that system. Furthermore, the Wing Chun lineage that I practice does not practice weight training as such. So, to me this “phenomenom” is not so strange.
Others here have no clue about this type of methodologies and hence the aggressive/defensive/insecure attitude towards David and then me. And usually, it is always the same people, that is, the forum’s cross training, “modern is better” majority and their hangers on!
Here is my response to Sanjuro when he denied that any one had ridiculed David:
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=972765&postcount=29
Don’ t blame me for seeing ridicule in those posts!
HW108[/QUOTE]
He wasn’t describing a metholody he was sounding off about how bad, useless and ignorant modern training methods were, there is a difference between those two or are you too daft to notice? My laugh out loud comments were in relation to the ridiculous statements I quoted above, and I feel quite justified given his silly uninformed and plain wrong statements about modern methods
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;975115]Is Clueless Sanjuro making negative insinuations about David Ip, the heir to the Chow Gar lineage?
Boy, it would be so easy for you guys to just say that you are unfamiliar with this methodology’s approach to strength/power building, but yet your d@mn egos don’t let you. And every time you attempt to “win”, you come up with more clueless and idiotic comments. Let it go, just let it go as you have absolutely no base of reference !!![/QUOTE]
Who needs a base of reference to talk about how wrong both of them are about modern weight training methods? We are not saying chow gars ways of doing things are wrong/ bad etc… you know why…. Because he never spoke about them he was too busy sounding off about weight training and modern methods of training. We don’t have to understand his reasoning/methology behind his statements to know and say they are wrong
Do me a favor, make sure you are standing under that cliff when I throw myself down
can i watch it would make my day really it would. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;975115]Is Clueless Sanjuro making negative insinuations about David Ip, the heir to the Chow Gar lineage?
Boy, it would be so easy for you guys to just say that you are unfamiliar with this methodology’s approach to strength/power building, but yet your d@mn egos don’t let you. And every time you attempt to “win”, you come up with more clueless and idiotic comments. Let it go, just let it go as you have absolutely no base of reference !!![/QUOTE]
You saucy tart, still trying to sweet talk me eh?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;975217]You saucy tart, still trying to sweet talk me eh?[/QUOTE]
That is it, keep trying to divert attention from your cluelessness…:rolleyes: