Yeah, I guess that did sound pretty gay.
(not that there’s anything wrong with that)
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;815912]Phil-
Please post a current pic of the six pack that you have that has been developed by your WC training over the years.[/QUOTE]
Lol, you made a blanket statement saying that WC people don’t do conditioning. I said some do. When I was training in WC like I should I had a six pack. I don’t train like that now. The guys at Duncan’s did full contact. There is a picture of them after some fights at Madison Square Graden on my website as well. When I went to Yoel Judah to train I was already in condition from my training at Duncan’s. So the kickboxing training wasn’t hard for me. Here’s a clip of Zab Judah’s dad Yoel who trained me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3di6HpvWas
Yoel trained me in kicking and fighting with boxing gloves. When I fought I did as much WC I could with the gloves on. When I first met William Cheung he taught me all sorts of WC conditioning exercises. Unfortunately I got into teaching mode over the years so I don’t have the six pack you want to see. I can get it back though by training in WC the way the younger guys at the school do.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;815974]Lol, you made a blanket statement saying that WC people don’t do conditioning. I said some do. When I was training in WC like I should I had a six pack. I don’t train like that now. [/QUOTE]
My point was that functional systems automatically condition the practitioners- functional systems have conditioning built into the training methods of the systems. It’s almost impossible to train BJJ, wrestling, or MT and not get in hard condition… that’s why you don’t see the fat guys in those systems that you do in the less functional systems.
“Phil-
Please post a current pic of the six pack that you have that has been developed by your WC training over the years.” (Dale)
***NOW I’ve heard everything! 
:rolleyes: :eek: 
Hey Phil, do you think he’s referring to Budweiser?
Coors?
Guinness?
[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;815978]“Phil-
Please post a current pic of the six pack that you have that has been developed by your WC training over the years.” (Dale)
***NOW I’ve heard everything! :rolleyes: :eek:
Hey Phil, do you think he’s referring to Budweiser?
Coors?
Guinness?[/QUOTE]
Here ya go , and I’m a vegiterian that drinks and smokes cigars LOL
yep I know it looks Gay .. but he asked for a pic:o
[QUOTE=Ernie;815986]Here ya go , and I’m a vegiterian that drinks and smokes cigars LOL
yep I know it looks Gay .. but he asked for a pic:o[/QUOTE]
Okay, now I’m even more motivated to get to the gym tomorrow:)
Was that from the recent trip bro?
Looking good man, you give all of us 35+ something to shoot for, I’m jealous:cool:
James
Hey Ernie,
Was that V for Vendetta?
Is that who that was?
Hey, Batman needs a partner, V.
Robin turned out to be too nerdy!
LOL , I’m repp’n for the 40 year olds now !
Sorry Batman , that pic was gay enough already can’t put on a cape and tights:eek:
bad mental image i think i threw up a little
James your probably in better shape then LOL
Unfortunately my body isn’t shaped the way I would like it too, and even thought I hit the gym on a regular basis, it doesn’t take to weight lifting easily, that’s why I try to stay consistent with it to maintain what I’ve built up so far. Been slacking lately but tomorrow is the return to the grind. I find taking a break once in awhile is good for the motivation:)
I’m just glad that you back posting a bit on the forum, I’ve missed your valued inputs here:cool:
Regarding WC and Conditioning, back when I was teaching full time in Calgary, my Sifu there had 8 or 9 conditioning classes a week in his school, and they were hard workouts consisting of punching, kicking, sit ups, push ups, pad and bag work, etc… Then there were the special workouts for those that wanted to compete, which I tried out a few times and they blew me away. Not all WC school concentrate solely on forms, drills and so forth.
J
[QUOTE=sihing;
I’m just glad that you back posting a bit on the forum, I’ve missed your valued inputs here:cool:
J[/QUOTE]
Nah bro , , just a rare thing , forums don’t catch my attention like they used to
[QUOTE=Ernie;816009]Nah bro , , just a rare thing , forums don’t catch my attention like they used to [/QUOTE]
Yup, I know the feeling. 
That’s too bad though, but you’ve contributed lots here over the years.
JR
[QUOTE=Ernie;815986]
yep I know it looks Gay .. but he asked for a pic:o[/QUOTE]
Damm …E
Peter Andre just found his long lost bruva :o
Ive just got a one pack…but thats kiwi conditioning…beer and BBQ
DREW
[QUOTE=Liddel;816035]Damm …E
Peter Andre just found his long lost bruva :o
Ive just got a one pack…but thats kiwi conditioning…beer and BBQ
DREW[/QUOTE]
winter is coming bro , i will fast be putting on my insulated 1 pack as well 
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;815975]My point was that functional systems automatically condition the practitioners- functional systems have conditioning built into the training methods of the systems. It’s almost impossible to train BJJ, wrestling, or MT and not get in hard condition… that’s why you don’t see the fat guys in those systems that you do in the less functional systems.[/QUOTE]
That is so true!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Christaylor.jpg
(Famous pic)
Everyone get in shape!
I think next time, ask Phil for front AND back photos! Full length of course. Yummy.
I prefer training on the couch of WC. We use a really long one to fit the whole class. And an Extra-Extra Wide Screen TV.
[QUOTE=Edmund;816043]That is so true!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Christaylor.jpg[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Chris was one big guy. However, compare the percentages of lard-ass TMA guys compared to BJJ, wrestlers, or MT guys.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;816045]Yeah, Chris was one big guy. However, compare the percentages of lard-ass TMA guys compared to BJJ, wrestlers, or MT guys.[/QUOTE]
I don’t usually go around lifting guys shirts up to check their “conditioning”.
You can keep going for it though. There’s another one I’ve vaguely heard of: You spoon a guy from behind and try jiggling their belly fat with both hands. Maybe you can fill in the details for us.
I guess a little ****-erotic stuff is appropriate in a “fantasy” thread, whatever floats your boats.
In a simple nutshell:
You must fight (and fight well) if you are going to be a fighter or at least your MA skills to fight with, and you must fight all types of systems to be able to beat them.
Period.
Thinking otherwise is indeed, pure fantasy.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;816071]In a simple nutshell:
You must fight (and fight well) if you are going to be a fighter or at least your MA skills to fight with, and you must fight all types of systems to be able to beat them.
Period.
Thinking otherwise is indeed, pure fantasy.[/QUOTE]
Yes, fighting skill comes from fighting. And to beleive otherwise is to believe in a fantasy, it’s magical thinking.
But in my view, the fantasy extends beyond that. When people teach things they cannot do themselves in fighting, when they teach from “theory” or “concepts” instead of experience, etc., they are teaching fantasy. If you go back and look at that clip I linked to, you’ll see that is a fantasy sequence. Now, for me, this causes me to think that the instructor (who taught that nonsense) is teaching fantasy – “this is how you will use the WCK tools, so praactice this” when in fact they can’t be used that way in fighting. After all, if he knew better, if he knew you couldn’t really make that work, why would he teach to do those things. And if he doesn’t know better, isn’t this an indictment of his WCK, of his skill and understanding of how WCK really works?
This is why the Dog Brothers motto “if you see it taught, you see it fought” is nothing more than a clever way of saying “what we do is a reality-based martial art and not a fantasy-based martial art.” That motto is true of all reality-based, and hence functional, martial arts. In contrast, when you see it trained and don’t see it come out in fighting, “when you see it taught and don’t see it fought”, you know you have a fantasy-based martial art. And fantasy-based martial art isn’t just a waste of training time, it is actually counter-productive, because you are training your body to move, act, behave, etc. in ways that will fail.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;816122]This is why the Dog Brothers motto “if you see it taught, you see it fought” is nothing more than a clever way of saying “what we do is a reality-based martial art and not a fantasy-based martial art.” That motto is true of all reality-based, and hence functional, martial arts. In contrast, when you see it trained and don’t see it come out in fighting, “when you see it taught and don’t see it fought”, you know you have a fantasy-based martial art. And fantasy-based martial art isn’t just a waste of training time, it is actually counter-productive, because you are training your body to move, act, behave, etc. in ways that will fail.[/QUOTE]
Another interesting post here t! I agree with you (again!) 100% here, BUT the ‘Dog Brothers’ teach openly to anyone. Wing Chun training has still, to this day, rarely been actually ‘seen’ by the public as much of it is completed without ‘anyone’ watching. All you actually ‘see’ are the results i.e forms, shapes and drills of past ancestors.
So, my question is how do you ‘know’ that what you’re looking at is actually Wing Chun training at all?
I’ve seen and trained a few little eccentric bits, all of which you wouldn’t imagine being of any use in fighting, but I still trained them because I believed they had purpose at the time. Is this still fantasy?
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;816122]Yes, fighting skill comes from fighting. And to beleive otherwise is to believe in a fantasy, it’s magical thinking.
But in my view, the fantasy extends beyond that. When people teach things they cannot do themselves in fighting, when they teach from “theory” or “concepts” instead of experience, etc., they are teaching fantasy. [/QUOTE]
Yes and no, somethings are “gospel” regardless of ones experience, ex:
If two people fight and one of them wants if to go to the ground, the chances are better than average that it will go to the ground.
Now, I know people that have NEVER gone to the ground in a fight YET they openly teach how to deal with ground work ( most of them through bringing people into to teach what is outside their realm of expertise), even though they are not teaching per say ( though some do if said expert is not available).
As for “teaching things that cannot do themselves”, well, everyone does that to an extent, especially with age.